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To: af_vet_1981
af_vet_1981's response to refutation: double down on a refuted argument.

Whenever the LORD comes for His servants; one cannot avoid the scripture in which the Messiah clearly taught three levels of punishment for His servants that did not watch (their behavior).

- which once again as said and ignored, does not correspond to Purgatory in which punishment begins at death, and is also for making souls good enough to enter Heaven

In further contrast, as said and ignored, not being prepared or being ignorant of the Lord's will is not correspondent to persevering saving faith.

And as said and ignored, the only location mentioned in this discourse having one's potion with the unbelievers, which thus is correspondent to the final judgment, in which souls are "judged every man according to their works." (Rev 20:13)

Thus Luke 41-48 simply cannot be speaking of Purgatory even on the basis of basic eschatology. Reiterating your desperate apologetic only makes its specious nature more manifest.

Suffer loss, not suffer loss of rewards. Suffer loss, not suffer loss of rewards. Look how ζημιόω to damage, suffer loss is used in the scriptures. It is not loss of rewords. Six occurrences lose his own soul lose his own soul be cast away he shall suffer loss ye might receive damage I have suffered the loss

Which is more isolationist sophistry, for not only does "suffer loss" means "loss" in the majority of cases, but context tells us not only what is being subjected to the fire, but what the loss refers to, which is rewards:

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward . (1Co 3:13-14)

Thus this desperate attempt by you is also - by the mercy and grace of God - exposed for what it is us.

Just believe the text; three levels of punishment when the LORD judges His servants who did not watch (their behavior).

Just believe the text; three levels of punishment when the LORD judges His servants who did not watch (their behavior) simply cannot be Purgatory as it is only correspondent to the final judgment, while even if it referred to 1 Co. 3, that is also disallowed even just on the basis of it not occurring until the Lord returns, besides being works being burned up, not character defects, and being saved despite this loss, not because of them.

The most severe punishment; no Once Saved Always Saved for the one who believes in being saved but did not watch (his works).

Which is what i affirmed, and does not hep your argument. Further reiterations will not make it valid, and you are very close to simply being ignored.

290 posted on 01/12/2019 4:54:07 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
And as said and ignored, the only location mentioned in this discourse having one's potion with the unbelievers, which thus is correspondent to the final judgment, in which souls are "judged every man according to their works." (Rev 20:13)>

The above post reads like it is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text.

All disciples should be careful not to ignore or give short shrift what the Messiah said about watching one's behavior.

  • And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
  • He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
  • And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


Revelation, Catholic chapter twenty two, Protestant verses ten to twelve ,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

291 posted on 01/12/2019 6:07:14 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: daniel1212
Which is more isolationist sophistry, for not only does "suffer loss" means "loss" in the majority of cases, but context tells us not only what is being subjected to the fire, but what the loss refers to, which is rewards:

Except there are six cases of the word used for loss, and in the first three from the Messiah, He says the man loses his own soul. The fourth case is this one, where a man is saved as by fire. The fifth case is hypothetical (Paul writing that godly sorrow and repentance prevented the loss). The sixth case (Paul) speaks to the loss of everything (except the soul).

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward . (1Co 3:13-14)

Note the next portion which was left out ... and certainly fits two of the three types of punishment for disciples as taught by the Messiah in Luke's passage. In those two types (stripes), the disciple is still saved, yet as by fire.

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

First Corinthians, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verse fifteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

292 posted on 01/12/2019 6:23:58 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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