Posted on 11/11/2018 9:36:49 AM PST by ealgeone
Where a Catholic lives is probably more indicative of how they vote as opposed to being Catholic. I recall one presidential year that the votes of Catholics in Louisiana and New Mexico were the splits were exactly reversed, 70-30 or so with New Mexico Catholics voting for the dem and Louisiana Catholics voting pub.
Freegards
One out of two people I go to church with are my enemy.
JoMa
There was an article on Crux by John Allen, a Catholic blog talking about this. The White ethnic Catholics, who were part of the FDR/Truman/JFK coalition, vote overwhelmingly Republican. Recent Catholic immigrant groups from Latin America, Asia, Middle East, tend to vote Democrat. Here is the article from Crux by. J. Allen.
I’m just reading the table. Are you questioning the data in the table? If so, that’s fine. Just say so. I don’t trust polls either.
I’m just reading the table. Are you questioning the data in the table? If so, that’s fine. Just say so. I don’t trust polls either.
Although I think this one probably makes sense. Could be that the JFK generation — who put the Kennedy family above Jesus, Mary, and Joseph — is dying off. And hence the rightward trend.
Well, yes it does.
No. Not questioning the data. The data shows that Roman Catholics have historically chosen to side with the demoncrat party over the republican party.
Although I think this one probably makes sense. Could be that the JFK generation — who put the Kennedy family above Jesus, Mary, and Joseph — is dying off. And hence the rightward trend.
Roman Catholics have continued to support demoncrats well after Kennedy.
Don't see how that's possible based on the presidential voting results for Roman Catholics. In all but four presidential elections since 1952 they've sided with the demoncrat candidate...and this is well before the massive influx of Hispanic immigrants.
Now, if you want to apply that to just the 2018 midterms I might be in agreement with that.
Ah yes...the new talking point among Roman Catholics...."real" Roman Catholics.
There's that term again...."real" Roman Catholics.
We've been told on these threads too many times...once a Roman Catholic...always a Roman Catholic. Except when it's inconvenient.
ealgeone:
That is true, all my family were democrats, they like many other Catholic ethnic groups, Italians (like me), Polish (like my wife), Irish, Bavarian-Germans, or French, voted for Kennedy 75%. However, those same people were the mainstay of the Reagan Democrats. Nixon in 72 was the first Republican to get over 50% of the Catholic vote, Carter got them back in 76 but Reagan got 61% in 1984 (the most ever). I think about 59% of Catholics are Non-Hispanic White (consists of family name from among 1 of the 5 ethnic groups I mentioned above). In 1990, the statistics were probably about 70-30 Non-Hispanic white to other ethnic groups, mostly from Central and South America. Republicans have pretty much Nixon in 72 gotten most of the Non-Hispanic white Catholic vote. But even if those groups account for 70% of the Catholic vote, getting 60% of that vote only equats to 42% of the total Catholic vote. Even getting 70% doesn’t get you to 60% (49%).
So Allen’s basic hypothesis is correct.
No kidding.
Like when they want a head count to brag on 1.2 billion strong, or some such nonsense.
I agree, there are plenty that were baptized Catholic, go to the Church on Easter and Christmas and vote Dem.
Question based on your statement about REAL Catholics...
Do you count the non-REAL Catholics when you claim to have 1.2 billion members?If so, why count those who are not REAL Catholics??
If not, how many REAL Catholics exist??
A NON REAL Catholic is one just like Nancy Pelosi I am Catholic and although San Fran NaN says she is a Catholic I think she should be excommunicated from the Church ANYONE with the beliefs of San Fran NaN is NOT a Catholic even though they were baptized as such!!!
Good answer. Thank you.
“Do you count the non-REAL Catholics when you claim to have 1.2 billion members?”
Don’t forget to break that down into pre and post vat II rcc’s.
But how do you figure that? What religious group took part in the elections more? Which one voted more conservatively as a percentage? Are you blaming them for letting a building burn down when they consisted of the largest single force fighting the fire, rather than others no doing as they did?
Committed Roman Catholics (church attendance weekly or almost) versus Non-R.C. faithful church goers (see the below as as morally acceptable): Abortion: 24% of R.C. vs. 19% Non-R.C.; Sex between unmarried couples: 53% vs. 30%; Baby out of wedlock: 48% vs. 29%; Homosexual relations: 44% vs. 21%; Gambling: 67% vs. 40%; Divorce: 63 vs. 46% ^
Just 15% of U.S. Catholics say that using contraceptives is morally wrong. 41% say that using contraceptives is morally acceptable, while 36% say it is not a moral issue. 37% of Catholics who attend Mass at least once a week say using contraceptives is morally wrong while 33% say it is morally acceptable and 30% say it is not a moral issue. — http://www.pewresearch.org/key-data-points/u-s-catholics-key-data-from-pew-research/#abortion
31% of faithful Catholics (those who attend church weekly, 2004) say abortion should be legal either in "many" or in "all" cases.. 2004, The Gallup Organization Gallup Survey for Catholics Speak Out: 802 Catholics, May 1992, MOE ± 4%;
26 percent of Catholics (2007) polled strongly agree with the Church's unequivocal position on abortion Catholic World Report; survey of 1,000 Catholic Americans by Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at the University of Connecticut; http://www.adoremus.org/397-Roper.html
46 percent of Catholics who say they attend mass weekly accept Church teaching on abortion; 43 percent accept the all-male priesthood; and 30 percent see contraception as morally wrong. ^
Among Catholics who attend services regularly (weekly or more), 31% say there should be no legal recognition for homosexual relationships (marriage or civil unions), with 26% favoring allowing gay and lesbian people to marry, versus 43% of Catholics who attend once or twice a month, and 59% of Catholics who attend a few times a year or less favoring allowance of homosexual marriage. (PRRI, Pre--election American Values Survey, 9/2010; http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Catholics-and-LGBT-Issues-Survey-Report.pdf.)
27% of Catholics who attend church services regularly say their clergy speak about the issue of homosexuality, with 63% of this group saying the messages they hear are negative. ^
Church attendance [2002-2005]: Evangelicals at approx. 60 percent showed the highest percentage of those who reported they attended services weekly or almost weekly, with 30% going more than once a week. Catholics were at 45 percent (9% more than once a week), and Jews 15 percent. Gallup poll. between 2002 and 2005. http://www.christianpost.com/article/20060418/weekly-attendance-highest-among-Evangelical-churches.htm
A Catholic survey reports that 4 percent of US Catholics described themselves as “very” involved in parish or religious activities other than attending Mass, and 11% as “somewhat involved, and 64% as “not involved at all.” Among weekly (or more) attendees (approx 22% of adult Catholics), 13% were very” involved, 29% “somewhat involved and 25% not involved at all.” http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/FRStats/devotionpractice.pdf
2102: The percentage of all Catholics who say they attend Mass at least once a week has dropped from 47% in 1974 to 24% in 2012. - http://www.pewforum.org/2013/03/13/strong-catholic-identity-at-a-four-decade-low-in-us/
A 2007 Pew survey reported that 9% of Catholics said they attended Mass more than once a week, and 33% once a week, while evangelicals were at 30% for more than once a week, and 28% for once a week, respectively. - http://www.pewforum.org/files/2015/01/comparison-Frequency-of-Attendance-at-Religious-Services.pdf
A Catholic study reported that the percentage of U.S. adult Catholics who say they attended Mass once a week or more (i.e., those attending every week) was 24% in 2012. http://cara.georgetown.edu/caraservices/requestedchurchstats.html
54 percent of Catholics who came of age before Vatican Two (10 percent of Catholics today) attend Mass weekly, compared to 23 percent of millennial Catholics, those born from 1979 to 1987. http://blogs.thearda.com/trend/featured/counting-catholics-church-of-immigrants-poised-for-growth/
39 percent of Catholics affirmed not attending church is a sin, versus 23 percent of Protestants. Ellison Research, March 11, 2008 http://ellisonresearch.com/releases/20080311.htm http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080312/study-behaviors-americans-consider-sinful.htm
Christian church attendance is between 1 ½ and 2 times higher in the South and the Midwest than it is in the West and the Northeast [the latter two have the highest percentage of Catholics]. http://www.theamericanchurch.org/facts/8.htm; http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2007/03/01/how-many-americans-attend-church-each
The states with the most frequent churchgoers were Mississippi, Alabama, S. Carolina, Louisiana, Utah Tennessee, Arkansas, N. Carolina, Georgia, then Texas. The states with the most infrequent churchgoers were Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, Hawaii, Oregon, Alaska, then Washington. http://www.gallup.com/poll/125999/mississippians-go-church-most-vermonters-least.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/22579/church-attendance-lowest-new-england-highest-south.aspx
The typical Catholic person was 38% less likely than the average American to read the Bible; 67% less likely to attend a Sunday school class; 20% less likely to share their faith in Christ with someone who had different beliefs, donated about 17% less money to churches, and were 36% less likely to have an "active faith," defined as reading the Bible, praying and attending a church service during the prior week. Catholics were also significantly less likely to believe that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches. 44% of Catholics claimed to be "absolutely committed" to their faith, compared to 54% of the entire adult population. However, Catholics were 16% more likely to attend a church service and 8% more likely to have prayed to God during the prior week than the average American. Barna Reaearch, 2007, “Catholics Have Become Mainstream America” http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/12-faithspirituality/100
A 2008 Catholic commissioned survey of adult Catholics reported 68% of Catholics affirmed you could be a good Catholic without going to Mass every Sunday, and 55% thought of themselves as good Catholics. 77% of Catholics agreed they were proud to be Catholic, (85% of weekly attendees) and 61% agreed that sacraments were essential to their faith (83% of weekly attendees). 2008 poll of 1,007 self-identified adult Catholics by the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) at Georgetown University; http://cara.georgetown.edu/beliefattitude.pdf
43% of Catholics overall (and 36% of weekly attendees) affirmed they look to Catholic teachings and statements made the pope and bishops to form their conscience on what is morally acceptable . ^
36% of weekly attendees affirmed their Catholic faith was the most important part of their life, 39% said it was “among the most important.” ^
83% of Catholics affirmed that helping those in need was important to their sense of what it means to be a Catholic; 79% affirmed the Eucharist was, 73% said living according to Church teachings, 68% said devotion to Mary, and 66% said attending Mass. Catholics in the South are the most likely to say such things are “very important.” ^
75% of surveyed adult Catholics said they never doubted the Trinity, 68% that the Father created all we know of the Universe, 73% that Christ rose from the dead, 59% that there is a Hell, and 44% that the pope and bishops have taken the place of Peter and the apostles. ^
Almost a third of Catholics surveyed, including 15 percent of highly committed church members, said one could be a good Catholic without believing Jesus rose from the dead. http://blogs.thearda.com/trend/featured/counting-catholics-church-of-immigrants-poised-for-growth/
66% of Catholics supported women's ordination to the priesthood, and 73% approved of the way John Paul II leads the church. Surveying the Religious Landscape: Trends in U.S. Beliefs by George Gallup, Jr. and D. Michael Lindsay (Morehouse Publishing, 1999). Copyright © 2004 -- The Gallup Organization www.gallup.com
80% of Catholics believe it is possible to disagree with the pope on official positions on morality and still be a good Catholic. Time/CNN nationwide poll of 1,000 adults, conducted by Yankelovich Partners, Sept. 27-28, 1995; subsample of 500 Catholics, MOE ± 4.5%
77% of Catholics polled "believe a person can be a good Catholic without going to Mass every Sunday, 65 percent believe good Catholics can divorce and remarry, and 53 percent believe Catholics can have abortions and remain in good standing. 1999 poll by the National Catholic Reporter. http://www.catholictradition.org/v2-bombs14b.htm
34% of weekly Mass attending Catholics are Democrats, and an additional 19% are not affiliated with a party but lean toward the Democrats (53% identifying or leaning as Democrats). 28% of weekly attenders are Republicans and an additional 17% lean toward being a Republican (43 percent identifying or leaning as Republicans). Thus Democrats have a 10% point edge among weekly attendees, Catholics who attend Mass less than weekly are even more likely to be a Democrat rather than a Republican. http://cara.georgetown.edu/NewsandPress /PressReleases/pr061808.pdf
Exit polls in 2008 reported that weekly churchgoing Catholics voted for John McCain over Barack Obama, by just 50 percent to 49 percent. Weekly Protestant church attendees voted for McCain over Barack Obama 66 to 32 percent. http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/churchgoing_catholics_chose_mccain_over_obama/
In the 2012 election (preliminary exit-poll analysis), white Evangelicals (23% of the electorate) voted 79%/20% Romney/Obama; Protestants overall (53% of the electorate) voted 57%/42%; black Protestants (9% of the electorate) and other Christian voted 5%/95%; Catholics overall (25% of the electorate) voted 48%/50%; white Catholics (18% of the electorate) voted 59%/40%; and Hispanic Catholics (5% of the electorate) voted 21%/75% Romney/Obama http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Faithful-Voted-2012-Preliminary-Exit-Poll-Analysis.aspx
Weekly Church attendees (28% of the electorate) voted 57%/39% Romney/Obama; more than weekly (14% of the electorate) voted 63%/36% and “never” attendees (17% of the electorate) were at 34%/62% Romney/Obama. ^
For those in black Catholic churches, political affiliation or leaning in 2007 was 17%/74% Republican/Democrat, and 11%/76% for black evangelical churches. Opposition to homosexuality 37% by black Catholics and 58% by black evangelicals. Opposition to abortion was 35% by black Catholics and 53% by black evangelicals. 66% of black evangelicals and 36% of black Catholics say they attend services at least weekly. http://www.pewforum.org/A-Religious-Portrait-of-African-Americans.aspx
More .
The problem you have with this solution is that it is not up to you to decree who is and who is not a Catholic member of your church, but your leadership. Which manifests what they really believe by what they do (cf. James 2:!8), and thereby the correct interpretation of canon law. And since she manifestly considers Ted Kennedy RCs as members in life and in death, even to granting such ecclesiastical funerals, so such are your brethren in the eyes of Rome.
Which you cannot leave without being in schism, while RCs expect conservative evangelicals to leave their conservative fellowships and become brethren in this sanction unholy amalgamation.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.