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LGBT ‘Catholic’ groups:If Pope can reverse ...teaching on death penalty, why not homosex?
LifeSite News ^ | August 3, 2018 | Dorothy Cummings McLean

Posted on 08/03/2018 9:55:47 PM PDT by unlearner

LEXINGTON, Kentucky, Pro-homosexual dissident 'Catholic' groups see in Pope Francis' ‘changing’ of the Church’s teaching on the death penalty the hope that the Church will one day also change its teaching against homosexuality.

New Ways Ministry called the change in the Catechism proof that "Church teaching can change."

"It's important for Catholic advocates for LGBT equality to take note of this change because for decades Catholic opponents of LGBT equality argued that it is impossible to change church teaching. They often pointed to the fact that condemnations of same-sex relationships were inscribed in the Catechism, and so were not open for discussion or change. Yet, the teaching on the death penalty is in the Catechism, too, and, in fact, to make this change in teaching, it was the text of the Catechism that Francis changed," the group stated on its website.

New Ways Ministry, which works to "promote the acceptance of LGBT people," said that Pope Francis' move will help advance "LGBT equality" in a number of ways.

"First, we now have a clear, explicit contemporary example of church teaching changing, and also a look into how it can be done: with a papal change to the Catechism," it stated.

"Second, we can see that the process that brought about this change has been decades of theological debate and discussion, and not just a papal whim. That means the theological and even ecclesial discussions and debates right now about LGBT people have great potential to shape future changes in church teaching in regard to those topics," it added.

The pro-gay group was not the only one to see the significance of Pope Francis' rewrite of the Catechism.

In a post that appeared yesterday on Twitter, Lexington-based “Fortunate Families” wrote:

The church cannot change its teaching. That is what so many others say about other topics, for example regarding LGBTQ persons. But doctrine develops. Today’s news is a sterling example.

"The idea first floated by [the] Pope on Catechism’s 25th anniversary last fall to signify development of doctrine,” the tweet continued, “rescript issued today sees Francis issue edit of the 1994 official text, now deeming capital punishment ‘inadmissible’-- the new formulation.”

“Development of doctrine”, legitimately used to describe how the Catholic Church refines and expands, but never undermines or rejects, what was taught earlier, has now been interpreted by some to mean the erasure of settled Church teaching.

Critics say Pope Francis attempted to do that yesterday when he promulgated a new teaching concerning the death penalty in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, saying that it was “inadmissible.” The perennial teaching of the Church, based on Scripture and unanimously accepted by the Church Fathers and every pope until Francis, is that legitimate civil authority may impose the death penalty on a malefactor. Although both Saint John Paul II and Benedict XVI were strongly opposed to capital punishment--and John Paul’s Catechism strongly circumscribed it--neither pope denied this principle.

Pope Francis’ innovation has already become a club for American liberals to beat conservatives with. Jane Fleming Kleeb, Chair of the Democratic Party in Nebraska, has tweeted “Let's be clear Nebraskans, @GovRicketts is going against the teachings of the church. We can change leaders by voting different on Nov. 6--Democrats are against the death penalty.”

Fortunate Families, founded in 1992 by Mary Ellen and Casey Lopata, the Catholic parents of a same-sex attracted man, is a group of Catholic religious and laypeople who dissent on authentic Church teaching regarding sexuality and marriage. From 2010 until this July Fortunate Families was part of a coalition with Call to Action, the banned Dignity, and the censured New Ways ministry.

Astonishingly, since November 2017 Bishop John Stowe, OFM of Lexington has served as the dissident group’s “ecclesial advisor”. Stowe is one of the five bishops who have endorsed Fr. James Martin’s pro-LGBT book Building a Bridge. The bishop was appointed to the Lexington diocese by Pope Francis in 2015.

Fortunate Families was last in the news when a Lexington Catholic church stretched an LGBT flag across its front lawn. The first executive director of the group, Stan “JR” Zerkowski, is a parishioner at St. Paul’s parish, and told media that he hoped the banner got wide publicity.

“This is a church that is open to all people and I hope this sign gets that across,” he said in the TV report. “I don’t think a Catholic Church has ever had a sign like this before in front of it during Pride Week or any other time. However, in other parts of the country we see this regularly.”

The banner read “LBGTQ+ Catholic /Family, Friends & Allies/all are welcome”, insinuating that at other Catholic churches Catholics who experience same-sex desires or suffer from gender dysphoria are barred from the worship of God.

Former homosexual Joseph Sciambra retweeted the group’s Twitter message, saying “Bishop Stowe’s ‘Fortunate Families’ believe that the [Catechism of the Catholic Church] will also ‘change’ in terms of homosexuality. FF operatives are embedded within several dioceses around the US.”

Sciambra, a survivor of the San Francisco 1990s “gay scene”, is dedicated to helping people with same-sex attractions avoid being trapped in what he says is a dangerous way of life.


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; homosexual; homosexualagenda; religiousleft
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To: ealgeone; ebb tide

Dang!

What did ET type in #68 anyway??


181 posted on 08/05/2018 4:42:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
OK. I’ll start duplicating protestant-caucused threads whenever I want to comment on them.

Dang!

We've GOT these??

182 posted on 08/05/2018 4:44:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
...says the leper
183 posted on 08/05/2018 4:45:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: unlearner
I’m not sure that Catholics see the Pope this way.

Maybe not the pope; but they damned sure feel this way about apparitions that they call Mary!!!

184 posted on 08/05/2018 4:46:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

Gee, ebb...I didn’t know I was getting to you that much.

You ain’t in his special place...
...yet.

https://www.freerepublic.com/~ebbtide/


185 posted on 08/05/2018 4:49:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
What about it? I don't give a care.

And yet; here you are; posting away.

And some of your replies do NOT get removed.

We salute you and your efforts.

186 posted on 08/05/2018 4:51:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
...when someone is mentioned, they should be courtesy pinged.

Even on their HOMEPAGE?

187 posted on 08/05/2018 4:52:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
I'm trying to protect Catholicism from a pope who is attacking it.

Don; you are doing a yeoman's job!!



188 posted on 08/05/2018 4:55:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: miss marmelstein
More and more I see the Catholic caucus designation being ignored.

I agree; but what can we do to make the Catholics posting there, stick to the subject of the title?

189 posted on 08/05/2018 4:56:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

Ouch!

That’ll leave a scab!


190 posted on 08/05/2018 4:57:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
No, I wasn't. Once again you are misinformed.

So; you've been against this pope from the getgo?

191 posted on 08/05/2018 4:58:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: miss marmelstein
First ebb tide has been criticized for “attacking” the Pope in her posts and now she (and all other Catholics) are criticized for not caring that he is a heretic.

Et is a SHE??

And I thought MY gender was confusing to some because of my screen name!

192 posted on 08/05/2018 5:01:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
WOW. You're that old?

NOW you've done it!!


193 posted on 08/05/2018 5:01:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Marchmain

WHAT?

They are NOT a monolithic group?

194 posted on 08/05/2018 5:03:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Marchmain

All this (and more; probably) can be said about the Prots who post here.

20% of the folks do 80% of the work.


195 posted on 08/05/2018 5:04:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
I see you’ve whined to the moderators again and had my post deleted.

Private mail me what it said.

196 posted on 08/05/2018 5:05:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

Chess?

Someone here used to comment on playing that with pigeons!

I daresay poker would not be et’s game; either.


197 posted on 08/05/2018 5:07:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: miss marmelstein
Maybe you should hang out with a better class of people if all you surround yourself is with negativity, ignorance & anti-semitism.

Here; here!

Darned good advice!

198 posted on 08/05/2018 5:08:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: miss marmelstein
I hang out with my Catholic family and friends and we love the world.

When can I expect my Coke®?


https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=606&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=0OhmW6PVB-iPjwT-qZ7ABw&q=i%27d+like++to+buy+the+world+a+coke&oq=i%27d+like++to+buy+the+world+a+coke&gs_l=img.3..0j0i24k1l9.4169.8665.0.8932.17.4.0.13.13.0.160.396.0j3.3.0....0...1c.1.64.img..1.16.1095...0i30k1.0.27TKSZexzNY

199 posted on 08/05/2018 5:10:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: miss marmelstein
Most of you people interpret the Bible any old way you see fit unlike the Church’s teachings.

Call no man father...


HMMMmmm…


https://www.catholic.com/tract/call-no-man-father

200 posted on 08/05/2018 5:12:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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