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...A Concern for the Protestant “Solos”: Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 06-07-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 06/08/2018 8:54:57 AM PDT by Salvation

Beware the “Soloists” - A Concern for the Protestant “Solos”: Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia

June 7, 2018

There are a lot of “solos” sung by our Protestant brethren: sola fide (saved by faith alone), sola Scriptura (Scripture alone is the rule of faith), and sola gratia (grace alone). Generally, one ought to be leery of claims that things work “alone.” Typically, many things work together in harmony; things are interrelated. Very seldom is anyone or anything really “alone.”

The problem with “solos” emerges (it seems to me) in our mind, where it is possible to separate things out; but just because we can separate something out in our mind does not mean that we can do so in reality.

Consider, for a moment, a candle’s flame. In my mind, I can separate the heat of the flame from its light, but I could never put a knife into the flame and put the heat of the flame on one side of it and the light on the other. In reality, the heat and light are inseparable—so together as to be one.

I would like to argue that it is the same with things like faith and works, grace and transformation, Scripture and the Church. We can separate all these things out in our mind, but in reality, they are one. Attempting to separate them from what they belong to leads to grave distortions and to the thing in question no longer being what it is claimed to be. Rather, it becomes an abstraction that exists only on a blackboard or in the mind of a theologian.

Let’s look at the three main “solos” of Protestant theology. I am aware that there are non-Catholic readers of this blog, so please understand that my objections are made with respect. I am also aware that in a short blog I may oversimplify, and thus I welcome additions, clarifications, etc. in the comments section.

Solo 1: Faith alone (sola fide)For 400 years, Catholics and Protestants have debated the question of faith and works. In this matter, we must each avoid caricaturing the other’s position. Catholics do not and never have taught that we are saved by works. For Heaven’s sake, we baptize infants! We fought off the Pelagians. But neither do Protestants mean by “faith” a purely intellectual acceptance of the existence of God, as many Catholics think that they do.

What concerns us here is the detachment of faith from works that the phrase “faith alone” implies. Let me ask, what is faith without works? Can you point to it? Is it visible? Introduce me to someone who has real faith but no works. I don’t think one can be found. About the only example I can think of is a baptized infant, but that’s a Catholic thing! Most Baptists and Evangelicals who sing the solos reject infant baptism.

Hence it seems that faith alone is something of an abstraction. Faith is something that can only be separated from works in our minds. If faith is a transformative relationship with Jesus Christ, we cannot enter into that relationship while remaining unchanged. This change affects our behavior, our works. Even in the case of infants, it is possible to argue that they are changed and do have “works”; it’s just that they are not easily observed.

Scripture affirms that faith is never alone, that such a concept is an abstraction. Faith without works is dead (James 2:26). Faith without works is not faith at all because faith does not exist by itself; it is always present with and causes works through love. Galatians 5:6 says, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love. Hence faith works not alone but through love. Further, as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 13:2, if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

Hence faith alone is the null set. True faith is never alone; it bears the fruit of love and the works of holiness. Faith ignites love and works through it. Beware of the solo “faith alone” and ask where faith, all by itself, can be found.

Solo 2: Grace alone (sola gratia) – By its very nature grace changes us. Again, show me grace apart from works. Grace without works is an abstraction. It cannot be found apart from its effects. In our mind it may exist as an idea, but in reality, grace is never alone.

Grace builds on nature and transforms it. It engages the person who responds to its urges and gifts. If grace is real, it will have its effects and cannot be found alone or apart from works. It cannot be found apart from a real flesh-and-blood human who is manifesting its effects.

Solo 3: Scripture alone (sola Scriptura) – Beware those who say, “sola Scriptura!” This is the claim that Scripture alone is the measure of faith and the sole authority for the Christian, that there is no need for a Church and no authority in the Church, that there is only authority in the Scripture.

There are several problems with this.

First, Scripture as we know it (with the full New Testament) was not fully assembled and agreed upon until the 4th century.

It was Catholic bishops, in union with the Pope, who made the decision as to which books belonged in the Bible. The early Christians could not possibly have lived by sola scriptura because the Scriptures were not even fully written in the earliest years. And although collected and largely completed in written form by 100 AD, the set of books and letters that actually made up the New Testament was not agreed upon until the 4th century.

Second, until recently most people could not read.

Given this, it seems strange that God would make, as the sole rule of faith, a book that people had to read on their own. Even today, large numbers of people in the world cannot read well. Hence, Scripture was not necessarily a read text, but rather one that most people heard and experienced in and with the Church through her preaching, liturgy, art, architecture, stained glass, passion plays, and so forth.

Third, and most important, if all you have is a book, then that book needs to be interpreted accurately.

Without a valid and recognized interpreter, the book can serve to divide more than to unite. Is this not the experience of Protestantism, which now has tens of thousands of denominations all claiming to read the same Bible but interpreting it in rather different manners?

The problem is, if no one is Pope then everyone is Pope! Protestant “soloists” claim that anyone, alone with a Bible and the Holy Spirit, can authentically interpret Scripture. Well then, why does the Holy Spirit tell some people that baptism is necessary for salvation and others that it is not necessary? Why does the Holy Spirit tell some that the Eucharist really is Christ’s Body and Blood and others that it is only a symbol? Why does the Holy Spirit say to some Protestants, “Once saved, always saved” and to others, “No”?

So, it seems clear that Scripture is not meant to be alone. Scripture itself says this in 2 Peter 3:16: our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, Our Brother Paul speaking of these things [the Last things] as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Hence Scripture itself warns that it is quite possible to misinterpret Scripture.

Where is the truth to be found? The Scriptures once again answer this: you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15).

Hence Scripture is not to be read alone. It is a document of the Lord through the Church and must be read in the context of the Church and with the Church’s authoritative interpretation and Tradition. As this passage from Timothy says, the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Bible is a Church book and thus is not meant to be read apart from the Church that received the authority to publish it from God Himself. Scripture is the most authoritative and precious document of the Church, but it emanates from the Church’s Tradition and must be understood in the light of it.

Thus, the problems of “singing solo” seem to boil down to the fact that if we separate what God has joined we end up with an abstraction, something that exists only in the mind but in reality, cannot be found alone.

Here is a brief video in which Fr. Robert Barron ponders the Protestant point of view that every baptized Christian has the right to authoritatively interpret the Word of God.sss


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To: Faith Presses On
Considering most of what went on between Christ and His disciples wasn’t recorded, how do you figure you can say that you know that to be true?

Well; the Magisterium says that the pope Rome now has was selected by GOD; so why so many do not follow what he says?

261 posted on 06/09/2018 5:21:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

Anything to diminish Scripture and place a church above it.


262 posted on 06/09/2018 5:22:37 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: G Larry
Christ never told his disciples to write anything, he told them to preach.

IF that is so; why did the Catholic Church ever compile those various dusty writings into a book?

263 posted on 06/09/2018 5:23:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fantasywriter
My Church History class was a long time ago. :)

True; but most of us STILL have the main textbook and use it from time to time to look things up that we've misremembered over the years.

264 posted on 06/09/2018 5:25:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

What is it with all the removed posts belonging to Catholics?

Are they trying to get the thread locked again?


265 posted on 06/09/2018 5:27:03 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Fantasywriter

Give it up.

The pig must WANT lipstick on it first.


266 posted on 06/09/2018 5:27:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin
You can call a cat a dog all day long, but it doesn’t stop it from being a cat.


How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?
Four.
Saying that a tail is a leg doesn't make it a leg.

--Abraham Lincoln

267 posted on 06/09/2018 5:31:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Iscool
.No, beware of those who say we can't understand the scriptures because they can't understand the scriptures...

OUCH!!!!!

268 posted on 06/09/2018 5:31:30 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: G Larry; Luircin
Funny thing....NOT IN THE FIRST CENTURY!!! Unless you think some major portion of the population was literate?

You don't know the literacy rates during the first century. the only guesses are speculation at best.

And even if there were not a lot, those that were literate would most certainly be interested in a copy of the Scripture themselves.

It is absolutely mind boggling the lengths Catholics will go to diminish the value and integrity of the God breathed, Holy spirit inspired word of God and subjugate it to their church, the corrupt, immoral organization that it is.

269 posted on 06/09/2018 5:36:07 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: G Larry

I made very clear early on that Christ never instructed his disciples to reduce his teachings to writing.

HMMMmmm...

Jesus has made it 'very clear' that HE relied 100% or so on what had been WRITTEN in the past.  Strange that He'd leave the impression that His teachings should be transmitted orally only.

 



NIV Matthew 4:1-11
1. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
2. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
3. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
4. Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "
5. Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "`He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "
7. Jesus answered him, "It is also written: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
9. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
10. Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "
11. Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

NIV Matthew 11:10
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Matthew 21:13
"It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.' "

NIV Matthew 26:24
The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.

NIV Matthew 26:31
Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

NIV Mark 7:6-7
6. He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
7. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

NIV Mark 9:11-13
11. And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
12. Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
13. But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

NIV Mark 11:17
And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: "`My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations' ? But you have made it `a den of robbers.' "

NIV Mark 14:27
"You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

NIV Luke 4:17-19
17. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18. "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
19. to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

NIV Luke 7:27
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Luke 10:26
"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

NIV Luke 18:31-33
31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
32. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
33. On the third day he will rise again."

NIV Luke 20:17-18
17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

NIV Luke 21:22
For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

NIV Luke 22:37
It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

NIV Luke 24:44-47
44. He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
45. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46. He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47. and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

NIV John 2:17
His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
 
NIV John 6:31
Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

NIV John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

NIV John 12:14-16
14. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
15. "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
16. At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

NIV John 15:25
But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

NIV John 20:30-31
30. Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
31. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

 
 

270 posted on 06/09/2018 5:38:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: G Larry; Luircin
The NT is all true and Rome doesn’t “disobey” it.

Absolute balderdash.

Matthew 23:1-12 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

271 posted on 06/09/2018 5:39:00 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

People have ALWAYS places a high value on literacy.

And they took advantage of it when they could.


272 posted on 06/09/2018 5:42:24 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Luircin

A REAL ankle-nipper usually responds to a good kicking across the yard...


273 posted on 06/09/2018 5:42:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin
Youth?!!

Hell; our ADULTS don't rate very high in this regard either!

274 posted on 06/09/2018 5:43:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM

“Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin, children also have need of the new birth in Baptism to be freed from the power of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children of God, to which all men are called. The sheer gratuitousness of the grace of salvation is particularly manifest in infant baptism. The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth (CCC 1250).”

Chapter and verse in Scripture please?

No babies are said to be baptized in the NT.


275 posted on 06/09/2018 5:44:34 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: MHGinTN; G Larry; ealgeone
There was no prescription for, nor proscription against, writing scripture. The Messiah gave Peter and the other apostles the power to bind and loose. They evidently chose, through scribes or in their own hand (Paul) to write the gospels and epistles. There is an internal reference in Revelation just prior to John's authorship reference.

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Revelation, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses three to four,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James




You remain clueless.

For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Galatians, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses thirteen to twenty six,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James


When did Paul write his letters to the believers in those town where he established bodies of believers? When was The Revelation of John WRITTEN under Jesus's instruction? What was happening to the letters Paul and other Disciples were writing to fellow believers?

Every letter is undated and scholars propose various timelines (and do not all agree). Letters were shared and circulated because there was one holy catholic and apostolic Church. There are internal references to letters which did not apparently survive the passage of time and so are not included in the Canon (one to Corinthians, one from Laodicea)

There is only one body.

And of course, regardless of uncertainty about dates or even about exact authorship, the Catholic Church affirms that all texts of the Bible are divinely inspired and teach “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation.” (Vatican II, Dei Verbum, 11)

Date composed	Book	Author

51-52 AD 1 and 2 Thess Paul 50-55 early version of Gospel of Mt in Aramaic Matthew 50-60 Jas James 54 Gal Paul 57 1 Cor Paul 57-58 2 Cor Paul 57-58 Rom Paul 60-70 Mk Mark 62? Phil Paul 62 Col, Philem, Eph Paul 62-70 Lk Luke 63 Acts Luke 64? 1 Pet Peter 64 2 Pet Peter? 65 1 Tim and Tit Paul 65? Heb Paul? 66 2 Tim Paul 68-70 Mt Matthew 70? Jude Jude Thaddeus 85-95 Rev John 95-100 1,2, and 3 Jn John 98-100 Jn John (This information is mainly drawn from the Navarre Bible, “Introduction to the Books of the New Testament”)



276 posted on 06/09/2018 5:45:56 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Mark17
He did indeed sir. I am REALLY into YOPIOS, and I am my own Pope.

Many FR Catholics must be as well; since they have very little (if any) respect for the pope that Rome duly elected to sit in "Peter's seat".

277 posted on 06/09/2018 5:46:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17; boatbums

Agreed.

It seems to be part of the mentality that people are not going to behave unless forced to by an outside force. That they aren't responsible enough to live an upright and moral life without someone watching over them and setting the boundaries for them.

As someone posted recently, and I think it was bb, Catholicism doesn't trust people to live right on their own.

278 posted on 06/09/2018 5:48:45 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Mark17
The one thing that also never ceases to amaze me, is that we believe once saved, always saved, but many seem to think, that means it is ok to commit mortal sins galore, cuz, after all, you are saved.

Damned PROTS!!!


The one thing that also never ceases to amaze me, is that Catholics believe that means it is ok to commit mortal sins galore, cuz, after all, you have a fella in a box that will FORGIVE you of them; as long as you say the prescribed number of Hail Marys and count the requisite number of beads.

279 posted on 06/09/2018 5:49:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17; boatbums
The one thing that also never ceases to amaze me, is that we believe once saved, always saved, but many seem to think, that means it is ok to commit mortal sins galore, cuz, after all, you are saved. What rubbish. I think they say it, cuz that is how they would do it.

Agreed.

It seems to be part of the mentality that people are not going to behave unless forced to by an outside force. That they aren't responsible enough to live an upright and moral life without someone watching over them and setting the boundaries for them.

As someone posted recently, and I think it was bb, Catholicism doesn't trust people to live right on their own.

As if the Roman church is any example of right living before God.

What hubris that they should set themselves up as some sort of overseer for other people's behavior when they are such a train reck themselves. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house.

280 posted on 06/09/2018 5:50:26 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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