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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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Comment #61 Removed by Moderator
To: aMorePerfectUnion
I put my faith and trust in Jesus alone.
I gather with my brothers and there is Christ’s church.
I follow his word, and not those of some cult formed to control the people, those of simple minds.
Jesus set me free, just as he can with anyone who chooses him.
I fully reject and condemn the Roman Catholic religion as false teachings and a cult.
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:51:15 PM PDT
by
Bulwyf
To: Salvation
Typical.
When faced with biblical truths, you pray.
Who will you pray to? Mary? One of the apostles? My grandfather? Maybe some WW2 vets? They’re all dead, and we don’t commune with the dead.
I pray to Jesus, nobody else, he is my intercessor and he died on the cross for me. It is through him I am saved by grace.
I’m sorry I come across as harsh, it’s my soldier’s way, and the only way I know.
Time is short, so I tend to cut right to the chase.
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:54:14 PM PDT
by
Bulwyf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH5HvEGEnVE Let’s try this one, shall we? I’ll check it myself to see if it works correctly. I’d like you guys opinions on this, what I think is an incredible video. Please don’t comment unless you’ve seen the video at least once. Thank you kindly.
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:56:42 PM PDT
by
Concentrate
(ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
To: Concentrate
It works. Watch it many times, as I have, if you will.
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:57:44 PM PDT
by
Concentrate
(ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
To: nobamanomore
I have nothing to discuss with bigoted trolls. Indeed, nor concerning salvation. Your call, bro.
To: Concentrate
To: Bulwyf
I put my faith and trust in Jesus alone. I gather with my brothers and there is Christ’s church. I follow his word, and not those of some cult formed to control the people, those of simple minds. Jesus set me free, just as he can with anyone who chooses him. ........................... +1
Comment #69 Removed by Moderator
To: nobamanomore
In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional ...
Well there you have it then. I posted on message, about the primary topic.
My intent is that people, regardless of denomination, will hear and understand God's Word so they can go to heaven.
🙏🏼
To: Salvation
Isn’t the “church” the people and not a building? Didn’t Yeshua say that where one or two are gathered in my name, there I am also? He also said that nobody comes to the Father but by me. No qualifiers or ‘yes but’ .....
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posted on
04/21/2018 1:16:22 PM PDT
by
SkyDancer
( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
Comment #72 Removed by Moderator
To: nobamanomore; Religion Moderator
No your primary purpose is to harass and belittle Catholics.
Sorry, but mind-reading isn't allowed on Religion Forum threads.
You and your cohorts are aggravating, constant troll...
Sorry, but "making it personal isn't allowed on Religion Forum threads.
To: nobamanomore
You and your cohorts are aggravating, constant trolls.If by troll, you mean everyone who disagrees with RC doctrine then let me sincerely suggest you post under 'Catholic Caucus', where I believe you'll have the type of conversation you desire.
Comment #75 Removed by Moderator
To: aMorePerfectUnion
https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/outside_the_church.htm
No one today that calls themselves Christian is ignorant of the Catholic faith. In deed most Protestants make fun of Catholicism, belittle it and call it a false religion. Fallen away Catholics are of course the worse offenders. Ignore the One, True, Apostolic Faith at your own peril.
We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge; we must also, on the other hand, recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest?
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posted on
04/21/2018 1:47:19 PM PDT
by
NKP_Vet
("Man without God descends into madness")
To: NKP_Vet
NKP, so nice to see you around. Its been a long time. I do hope you are well.
As for the post, I know you believe this, and Id bet you know I do not. It is simply an assertion without basis.
Best to you.
To: Concentrate
I am saved by my Baptism. I'll take the word of Jesus.
John 3:5
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
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posted on
04/21/2018 2:02:47 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
To be clear, are you saying that Catholic communion is necessary for salvation?
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posted on
04/21/2018 2:11:35 PM PDT
by
armydoc
To: nobamanomore
Many proclaim “belief”in God, even the pharisees did, yet they do not follow all of the teachings of Jesus or only selectively. They support the teachings of man made churches and their heresies.
God will judge their belief and their possible false teachings. I hope they find the Truth for their salvation.
So let everybody who knows you know also that you are convinced that there is nothing more secure and more real and more powerful than the love of the Father in Christ Jesus. And see to it by your loving deeds that you have begun to understand just a little bit what it means when we say, God so loved the world
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/the-true-meaning-of-that-famous-verse
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posted on
04/21/2018 2:28:48 PM PDT
by
ADSUM
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