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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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To: Bob434; aMorePerfectUnion
Bob, I looked at all the descriptions of Hell on your page. Very interesting and scary. I have no idea why people deliberately choose to go to that awful place, but many DO make that choice, and only a few actually make it to Heaven. I am puzzled about it, but I accept it, because God said it.
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posted on
04/21/2018 11:47:31 AM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Steelfish
Steely, you keep recycling your same arguments that have been addressed and answered on previous threads... but let's do it again!
Before the Bible there was the Church.
False. 2/3 of the Scriptures were written before the birth of Christ, though they prophesied about Him.
If Protestants don’t believe in the ONE true Church, why on earth do they use the Church’s calendar to celebrate Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter on the same dates observed by the one Church.
History, dear Steely. We do many things because of the development of history. This is not the same as believing that Rome is the OTC. You are making a category mistake here, FRiend.
Looks like the early Church fathers, some of whom were disciples of St. John, were all wrong.
At times, they all got things wrong, since they don't all agree and not everything they wrote is agreed to by Rome. At times, even the disciples were wrong and were corrected by Christ.
And the thousands of martyrs, saints, and theologians of the last two millennia all got it wrong.
They certainly got a lot wrong! Thankfully, God has always reserved to Himself those who believed. Dear Blessed Father Luther, for example.
And the tens of thousands of historians, Protestant theologians, atheists, and and scientists from all other faiths from ordinary workpeople to Kings and Queens who converted to Catholicism all got it wrong.
Yes, we agree. See how easy that is. Many millions/billions of people get things wrong every day of existence. Mormons, Hindus, Muslims, atheists, etc.
What did they miss?
CHRIST and CHRIST ALONE!
To: nobamanomore
I’m sick of the same three internet anti catholic trolls I appreciate you sharing your feelings. What is it that you consider very important, if not salvation??
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Seems they are leaving in far greater numbers... South America alone.The Philippines too.
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posted on
04/21/2018 11:51:21 AM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: nobamanomore
I am pretty certain anything regarding salvation is above your pay grade, a lot above your pay grade. Salvation is not above anyone's pay grade.
John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
"WHOEVER BELIEVES"
To: Mark17
Yes Mark it is very scary- (I actually had an NDE where i descended to hell- not heaven- long story- high fever- hallucinations convulsions- caused misfiring synapses that caused the hallucinatory experience i had)and let me tell you i was shook for a very long time after it happened- My experience was just mental experience- not and actual ‘after death experience’ (I don’t believe in those)- I can’t imagine going to hell physically- The horrors of hell are no joking matter- I simply can’t understand people making the choice to spend eternity there-
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:13:34 PM PDT
by
Bob434
To: tjd1454
Theirs is a situation of ignorance, yet in their hearts they feel unity with all those who have true faith in Christ. This is something which I feel Catholics would do well to understand.
Agreed; forgive them for they know not what they do.
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:17:40 PM PDT
by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Bob434
The horrors of hell are no joking matter- I simply cant understand people making the choice to spend eternity there-
And yet many ignore the words of God about how to KNOW you will go to heaven, and instead, try to do good works or false sacraments. They do not save. Christ alone saves.
To: nobamanomore
Have you done what John 3:16 says??
Do you know you will go to heaven??
To: Salvation
Hiya! How can you tell if you’re saved” This is a real and serious question. My sister is “saved” and we are not talking right now, so please pray for me and let me know if I’m “saved”.
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:25:30 PM PDT
by
Concentrate
(ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
What does it say? If you believe in me, bla bla bla?
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:27:08 PM PDT
by
Concentrate
(ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
How would you you know? You could be condemned to hell and not know it. Is it a game of chance?
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:29:24 PM PDT
by
Concentrate
(ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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To: nobamanomore
Have you ever seen me post in protestant based threads? Didn’t think so. This is an open thread.
It isn't Catholic or Protestant or Orthodox.
That was the choice of the OP.
If you have anything to contribute factually, I'll welcome you on any thread. Discussion is a very good thing.
I feel like I’m being saved, but how can I know for sure? If that’s even possible. I’ve been watching a video that has been impacting me on the side of believing the Bible.
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:34:49 PM PDT
by
Concentrate
(ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
To: Concentrate
How would you you know? Great question, answered here:
11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:11-13
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:42:24 PM PDT
by
Concentrate
(ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
To: Concentrate
It’s really hard to transmit, I guess, because the PTB, don’t want it to be so. I’ll try again.
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posted on
04/21/2018 12:45:00 PM PDT
by
Concentrate
(ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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