Posted on 12/07/2017 5:16:35 PM PST by marshmallow
Pope Francis has called on the Roman Catholic Church to alter the Lords Prayer because he believes the current translation suggests God is capable of leading us into temptation.
Instead, Our father, which is the best known prayer in Christianity, should be said using the phrasing adopted by French bishops, which reads as do not let us enter into temptation.
The alternative wording used in France implies that it is through human fault that people are led to sin, rather than by God.
The pontiff made the suggestion during a televised interview on Wednesday evening, in which he claimed that the traditional phrasing was not a good translation.
I am the one who falls. Its not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen, he continued. A father doesnt do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. Its Satan who leads us into temptation, thats his department.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/
1. Liberius, reigned 352-66 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
2. Honorius I, reigned 625-638 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
3. Stephen VI, reigned 896-89 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
4. John XII, reigned 955-964 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
5. Benedict IX, reigned 1032-1048 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
6. Boniface VIII, reigned 1294-1303 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
7. Urban VI, reigned 1378-1389 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
8. Alexander VI, reigned 1492-1503 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
9. Leo X, reigned 1513-1521 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
10. Clement VII, reigned 1523-1524 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
Top 10 Worst Popes in History
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php
1. Pope Alexander VI (1431 1503)
2. Pope John XII (c. 937 964)
3. Pope Benedict IX (c. 1012 1065/85)
4. Pope Sergius III (? 911)
5. Pope Stephen VI (? 897)
6. Pope Julius III (1487 1555)
7. Pope Urban II (ca. 1035 1099)
8. Pope Clement VI (1291 1352)
9. Pope Leo X (1475 1521)
10. Pope Boniface VIII (c. 1235 1303)
But Jesus is the same, yesterday, today , and forever.
That’s why you should trust in HIM and not an organization or denomination, no matter what it calls itself.
Methinks the Pontiff does not read his bible as much as he should.
If that is what you believe (and I do not disagree), perhaps you should abandon it, and follow God and Jesus. Always abandon earthly things in favor of Godly things--even when the earthly thing is one's own church.
What a total nut. The prayer means man is tempted but God can help lead us away. Never in my life would I have ever called a Pope an ass but since this freak is a fake pope then $)^&^%_)*(@$%&!
He'd fit right in.
Popes really do think they are above the Word of God.
This false pope is like Soetoro. Neither asks permission.
Correct, I had it flipped.
No, since Luther’s heresy was invented by Luther, and had nothing to do with any “wicked” popes but instead flowed from his own error, Luther would have done what he did anyway. Rix makes this abundantly clear.
Thank you so much for looking into this.
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I have heard this before, and unfortunately, Francis is probably correct. It is a bad translation, the Lord would not lead anyone into temptation. Years ago, I’d heard that ‘not put us to the test’ was a closer translation.
Just so you know, it wasn’t originally in old style English, KJ was quite a while after Jesus!
Would a God lead anyone to temptation? That’s another guy’s job.
Luther’s heresy was still Luther’s heresy.
You’re welcome.
I can now report that at least on my office computer I cannot paste Hebraic characters into an FR prose
the phrase, according to what I consider the best manuscript tradition of the Hebrew/Aramaic, reads as follows when transliterated by my computer into times new Roman (please read from right to left):
!wysn ydyl wnaybt law
If you know the Hebrew alphabet, everything should be fairly self-explanatory with the exception of the exclamation point, which is a final Nun, and the s represents a Samek.
In one of the manuscripts used in the critical edition, (George Howard’s analysis of Shem Tob’s Work) in the second word there is a yod between the Alef and the Nun.
This deserves a thorough analysis which I can’t do at a break at work. If someone else has time and skill right now, please jump in.
And Rome’s is still Rome’s.
“And Romes is still Romes.”
The Church has no heresies. Heretics do. Protestantism is a heresy.
4. John XII, reigned 955-964 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]Personally, I'd rank John XII #1.
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