Posted on 11/09/2017 1:57:06 PM PST by ebb tide
De Mattei: Pope Francis and his Lutheran turning point
All nonsense. I AM subject to Bergoglio. He’s the Pope. He has not issued any orders with my name on them. If he did, I’d have to obey, provided they are in accord with natural law and canon law.
I am also free to believe, as I do, that he’s the worst Pope of all time.
The Catholic Church has a Pope. It does not have a Dear Leader.
Your problem is that you believe your anti-Catholic propaganda—that tells you that Catholics are required to obey authority blindly and to parrot every utterance coming from an authority figure.
Ah, the ole *If you REALLY understood Catholicism, you'd be Catholic* canard.
On the contrary, we really do because we compare it to Scripture and can read Catholic writings ourselves and see how unscriptural they are.
We don't reject Catholicism because we don't understand it. We reject it becasue we understand SCRIPTURE.
Because it wouldn’t let people read Scripture for themsves so they could see how unscriptural it is.
Because the brainwashing by the Catholic church is very thorough.
So are you OK with the immorality and corruption within the Catholic church that Luther was objecting to?
Ar you telling us that his grievances against the Catholic church were not valid?
Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are there who find it.
See, the Holy Spirit filled THE WHOLE HOUSE, not just a closed up upper room with only the apostles in it.
Ebb, you got proved wrong again about your recounting of Pentecost, by Scriptire of all things.
And?
That has what to do with the selection of a new pope?
So Unum Sanctum and the Canons posted in post 132 by ealgeone are Catholic propaganda?
Who knew?
Hey, dan.....
This one is for you.
If that’s true, why has the Catholic Church survived over 2000 years,
Hmmmmm...
1. Killing believers who dissent - including women and children. Tens of thousands, multiple times, over total thousand years.
2. Superstitions
3. Family ties
4. Being sponsored and supported as an official religion by various nations
5. False religion has resonated in the hearts of a fallen mankind for all history. It is a perennial best-seller!
6. Syncretic paganism, that incorporates many religious ideas from other religions.
I post these because you asked and to show there are many possible answers to your question.
Best
Blessed Saint Luther!
>>Seems like a good place to stand your ground...
Here I stand. I can do no other.
And so if Francis demanded that you disobey Scripture and recant all your FR posts about him, or else face excommunication, would you recant?
“Nothing the Catholic Church teaches contradicts Holy Scripture.”
Hmm, then why not just rely on the Scripture instead of searching for some additional justification for doctrine?
“Pure hogwash. The apostles were in a closed room when then the Holy Ghost descended upon them. And they never split from each other in their own different “religions”.”
Well, that would be a collective experience, as would events like Pentacost, but the Holy Spirit doesn’t always work that way. The Holy Spirit is constantly working in each individual believer, who is having that experience individually. None of us can necessarily know what one anothers’ experience is, and it isn’t something easily demonstrated to one another.
“The Holy Ghost did not descend upon those outside the room. It was a select few. I was not there, you weren’t there and Luther wasn’t there.”
Yes, that kind of proves my point, I think. Those in the room know what they experienced, but we can only know of it from what they have written down and told us, we can never have the same direct experiential knowledge of it that they had.
“No. Otherwise it would have been a unanimous vote on the first ballot count.”
So, by that reasoning, all the popes in history who weren’t elected by unanimous votes on first ballot were essentially antipopes?
Except....
John O' Brien, Roman Catholic Priest in the Faith of Millions. | Hebrews 9:24-28 | Hebrews 10:11-13 |
When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of mannot once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priests command. |
24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him. |
Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. 14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. |
“So do you prots accept the Francis?”
We don’t pretend to be members of a church that demands we accept him as a requisite of membership.
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