Question: "Are apparitions of Mary, such as Lady Fatima, true messages from God?"

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[AppyPappy]

His mom connived to get him the patriarchal blessing.

[delchiante]

quote-I have no idea why the Roman Catholic Church would not simply use either Exodus 20:3-17 or Deuteronomy 5:7-21 to learn the 10 Commandments other than not to call into question their position on Mary and the relics.

The scriptures note something out of the 4th Beast/Kingdom would think to change times and laws.

Rome has done both.

And the idea/reason for changing times may be a little more deceitful.
a Roman christian pope having a calendar named after him (gregorian), that the world uses to tell time today, is not an accident. it’s prophetic.

And Rome can’t peddle their own Roman Mary or their own Roman Jesus, without having the world follwoing their own Roman calendar.

[StormPrepper]

Oh, you mean like when Moses and Elijah appeared in person during the transfiguration?

An apparition is a ghost. God doesn't turn people in to ghosts.

I'm really not sure what a "Hail Mary" is supposed to accomplish... God doesn't give deference to chanting. It's not a real prayer because you're not actually communicating with deity. But, you're not addressing God, you're chanting at Mary.

Amos 3
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

This is an eternal law that God will not break. Everything that God reveals to man has to come through a prophet. Can you name the prophet that revealed the doctrine of the "rosary"?

[GBA]

Like algebra compared to basic math, "spiritual algebra" seems like a good description for the more difficult to understand material beyond the basic spiritual math.

The examples in the Book are helpful, but the concepts are still difficult for a rational mind to understand. Memorizing and debating the material is doable, but an understanding seems to require a shift in perspective.

Matthew 18:3 - And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[ealgeone]

Though human rationality might not agree, spiritual algebra suggests the terms I used to describe Mary are equal and interchangeable.

Say what???

[BipolarBob]

I'm fairly late in life taking a serious interest in such things, but I notice how the majority of Christianity reveres and venerates Mary and are not offended by her being referred to as the Mother of God.

Yeah, well I take that as a sign. Like you take the fake Fatima apparition as a sign. The majority of Christians are going to hell. Matt. 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

[GBA]

Yes, exactly right! What does it mean?

I believe that conceiving Jesus, carrying Jesus in her womb and giving birth to Jesus was transformative beyond that of a normal human pregnancy.

It's just another fun mystery that's beyond my human rational understanding to ponder over and wonder about.

Raising Jesus and His childhood are also fun mysteries to ponder.

[GBA]

You could be right. I see data that supports your thoughts and opinions and data that refutes.

Personally, though my ego hates this and fights me tooth and nail about it, I think it's okay for me to admit that I don't know.

[Elsie]

So?

The mama’s boy who liked the tents better than the field couldn’t do it for himself?

Genesis 25:27

What a MOM!

Loved one boy more than the other!

[Elsie]

Everything that God reveals to man has to come through a prophet.

Really?

Watch out for any burning bushes in your vicinity!

(I'd assume you are already wary of talking asses.)

[Elsie]

...the basic spiritual math.

Oh!

Like the WARNING not to 'add or subtract from'...?

[Elsie]

I believe that conceiving Jesus, carrying Jesus in her womb and giving birth to Jesus was transformative beyond that of a normal human pregnancy.

So WHY do you 'believe' this?

[grey_whiskers]

I plead three days of four hours' sleep this week.

The reference to the Passion comes from one of the Mysteries of the Rosary.

Incidentally, however, that brings up another issue or two about Sola Scriptura. But I don't have the time or the energy at the moment.

[grey_whiskers]

Yeah, you pass.

I was hoping somebody'd look up the reference. But the relevance to my point, was Solomon's attitude towards Mom.

[grey_whiskers]

But, you're not addressing God, you're chanting at Mary.

Here's the prayer which closes the Rosary. Hint, hint.

Let us pray. O GOD, whose only begotten Son, by His life, death, and resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life, grant, we beseech Thee, that meditating upon these mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary, we may imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise, through the same Christ Our Lord. Amen.

The meditation upon the episodes in the life of Christ and of the Apostles right after the resurrection, focuses your mind on heavenly things, not worldly ones.

[Arthur McGowan]

“ALL” in that passage means what sane, non-demented people think it means.

Have retarded people sinned? Will they go to Hell?

Have unborn babies and newborns and toddlers sinned? Are they going to Hell?

Did Jesus sin? He was a human being.

According to you, the answer to all these questions is YES, because you insist that that passage was intended to deny ANY exceptions.

[mlizzy]

They are my best friends metmom [Jesus (the Triune God) and Mary; also the angels and other saints too], and plenty of times best friends “do” know how their friends feel about certain situations. And I do not know where the tear came from. My [late] brother, a union plumber, said that the Catholic Church has to hire union, and in so doing, they better know how to “hook up the pipes.” You tell me. Is it possible to send a signal grace from heaven? Or is it impossible for Jesus to do so?

[mlizzy]

You are welcome; it was very touching.

[Elsie]

According to you, the answer to all these questions is YES, because you insist that that passage was intended to deny ANY exceptions.

The Gospel of John 3 Eighteen

[Elsie]

You tell me. Is it possible to send a signal grace from heaven? Or is it impossible for Jesus to do so?

I'll tell you that the book Rome assembled states that no one knows what's going to go on it heaven; so why are you wanting to get someone to merely speculate??

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1 Corinthians 2:9

But as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him.