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How to Think About Luther?
Crisis Magazine ^ | July 12, 2017 | James Kalb

Posted on 07/12/2017 4:52:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

How to Think About Luther?

James Kalb

Traditionally, Catholics have viewed Luther as a heresiarch, and the Lutheran break from Rome as a religious and civilizational catastrophe. More recently, in line with current ecumenical and pastoral initiatives, that view has softened.

The softening has been quite noticeable during the current pontificate. The pope recently took part in a joint liturgy with the Church of Sweden to commemorate the five hundredth anniversary of Luther’s rebellion. He has also suggested informally that a Lutheran married to a Catholic might legitimately decide to receive communion from a Catholic priest, and that disputes between Catholics and Lutherans over the doctrine of justification, the basic point at issue in Luther’s split with Rome, are now a thing of the past.

More generally, some papal language regarding law and mercy suggests movement away from the Catholic view that grace enables us to overcome our sins toward Luther’s view that it simply frees us from their consequences. Examples include the comment in Amoris Laetitia that

conscience can … recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking … while yet not fully the objective ideal.

So if you think it’s all you can do, that’s probably all God is looking for. Luther’s pecca fortiter, “sin boldly,” was based on a similar line of thought.

Are these moves in the right direction? The Church is hierarchical, and it is the pope and other clergy who are charged with teaching doctrine and determining appropriate pastoral and ecumenical efforts. Even so, laymen can hardly avoid forming their own views, and many Catholics find that recent ecumenical efforts have done more harm than good, as has a tendency to confuse “pastoral” with “accepting that people do whatever they do.”

Laymen have the right and even obligation to present these concerns. The issues matter a great deal, and not simply for churchly reasons. Our secular authorities are convinced they have the solution to all social and political problems, at least in principle, and can put it into effect through a global managed system that recognizes nothing human outside it, no authoritative God above it, no enduring human nature beneath it, and no significant history behind it other than the history of its own coming into being. Everything is a social construction, and they will do the constructing.

The project is unfounded, overreaching, and destructive, and Catholics should oppose it. But the ecumenical and interfaith movements, along with proposals for loosening sacramental discipline to accept common practices in the name of “accompaniment,” support it by sidelining specific religious principle. They turn it into something like the British monarchy, which lends historical depth and dignity to a modern utilitarian bureaucracy but does not affect its substance. So those who view current political and social trends as anti-Catholic and anti-human have an additional reason for concern regarding ecumenical and pastoral tendencies in the Church that support them.

Concern regarding the changing Catholic attitude toward Luther is all the more justified because he’s the man who initiated the Protestant split from Rome, a fundamental event in the emergence of the modern world, and a variety of liberal and radical movements have claimed him as an inspiration. So if we are troubled by the trend toward a global society organized through and through on wholly secular and increasingly intolerant principles, and want to understand where the trend comes from, we should know something about his thought and deeds and their consequences.

A recently published collection of essays put out by the Roman Forum, an organization founded by Dietrich von Hildebrand, can help. Luther and His Progeny: 500 Years of Protestantism & Its Consequences for Church, State, and Society includes pieces by a dozen European and American scholars of varying backgrounds, each with his own outlook and concerns, but all troubled by the man, the movement he launched, and current efforts to enlist them, along with Catholicism, in a grand scheme of political, social, and religious unification. Each essay is independent of the others, but collectively they cover the basic issues that led Luther to reject the Church, as well as the effects of his rebellion on European thought and society.

Taken together they present the picture of a revolution in religion, politics, law, ethics, economics, and even the natural sciences, the effects of which profoundly shape our present world. At bottom, what seems to have led Luther to break with Rome was his overwhelming sense of guilt over his inability to keep the moral law. He was in a mess, and the Catholic road of humility, penitence, forgiveness, sacrament, grace, and sanctification didn’t seem to be working for him, so he decided that the world itself is one huge irreversible mess. Man is totally depraved, reason a snare, free will an illusion, and the Church can do nothing and so is fundamentally useless. To make matters worse, God himself is willful, incomprehensible, and even self-contradictory, since he is good but makes man incapable of anything but evil.

Under such circumstances what do we do, if it makes sense to ask the question when we have no inclination or ability to think or choose rightly? Basically, Luther’s answer was to rely wholly on the mercy of Christ, who might—or might not—choose to cover up our sins and accept us as justified even though we would inevitably remain as corrupt as ever.

These are not reasonable views. How, for example, is a God worthy of love, worship, and trust who condemns to eternal torment sinners he made incapable of acting otherwise, but then arbitrarily chooses some, who are no better than the others, for forgiveness and eternal bliss? The best that can be done for such views intellectually, one of the essayists suggests, is to view them as a precursor of German idealism, which treats contradiction as fundamental to reality and its dialectical resolution as the basis of the self-construction of the Absolute. At the transcendent level that means, as Luther put it, that “God must first become the devil before he becomes God.” And at the human level, it means faith goes through radically different stages, with the transitions involving overwhelming temptations to unbelief and blasphemy, and ultimate resolution not possible in this world.

Some people think that sort of explanation makes sense, others don’t. A more psychological and likely more comprehensible approach that some have recently proposed is to portray him as a “mystic of mercy,” overwhelmed by the infinitude of divine grace, whose words cannot be taken literally. (Muslims take the same approach with their own mystics, whose words are rarely compatible with orthodox Islam.)

That approach may explain something of the man, but not the movement he started: people don’t look to the incoherent outbursts of mystics for practical tips on the reform of Church, State, and doctrine, but that’s exactly what Luther offered, and what people took from him.

The specifics are complicated. His thought wasn’t coherent, so people took from it what suited them. At bottom, though, denying the practical effectiveness of religion tended strongly to liberate secular affairs from religious concerns, and destroy the authority and the sacramental structure of the Church. And that, it appears, was the reason for the success of his rebellion. By insisting on the irrelevance of divine law to what men actually do, Luther enabled secular powers to shake off the authority of the Church, set themselves up as absolute within their domains, and incidentally enrich themselves and their supporters with the property that an ineffectual Church could no longer justify possessing.

All of which remains relevant today. Secular authorities still don’t like religious limitations, so if a contemporary religious leader wants to exchange scorn for adulation, all he has to do is ignore distinctions, loosen restrictions, and proclaim mercy without penitence or emendation of life. Neither talent, virtue, nor rational coherence is needed, only a willingness to go along in order to get along. And there are many high-ranking churchmen who are eager to accept the deal.

Editor’s note: Pictured above is Pope Francis with the General Secretary of the Lutheran World Federation Rev. Martin Junge (right) and the President of the Lutheran World Federation Bishop Munib Younan (far left) attending an ecumenical prayer service at the Lutheran cathedral in Lund, Sweden, Oct. 31. (Photo credit: CNS photo/Paul Haring)



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; luther
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; Steelfish
Well and truly stated. Unfortunately the “me and my Bible” theology has done more harm to Christianity than all the heathens and Mooslims have done throughout history.

And Pope Francis was elected pope by YOUR college of cardinals.

How's he working out for you?

If you think the Catholic church is so right, then you must be pretty happy with the direction he's taking it in, right?

241 posted on 07/13/2017 6:15:37 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom
>>And it would help if you had a PhD in astrophysics to give yourself some credibility.

LOL.

1. GPS does, in fact, work (and guide cruise missiles quite accurately) because relativistic time dilation has been engineered into it.

2. We The People don't need a PhD in anything to see Fuzzy Wuzzy,  46 million light-years from Earth. 

"FUZZY WUZZY GALAXY 

Relatively short arms of gas and dust lend a woolly appearance to the spiral galaxy known as NGC 2841. The galaxy lies about 46 million light-years from Earth in the constellation Ursa Major, the Great Bear. NGC 2841 is unusual because its tightly curled arms display a relatively low rate of star formation compared with other spiral galaxies."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/150316-50-great-images-from-the-hubble-space-telescope/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialAds&utm_content=link_fb20170406-hubble-images-50-adv&utm_campaign=content-ads-lg&kwp_0=448866&kwp_4=1645410&kwp_1=707580

light year
ˈlīt ˈˌyi(ə)r/
noun
ASTRONOMY
  1. a unit of astronomical distance equivalent to the distance that light travels in one year, which is 9.4607 × 1012 km (nearly 6 trillion miles).

 

Got Hubble?



242 posted on 07/13/2017 6:17:56 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: boatbums

The passionate hatred that Catholic have for Luther that is on display here is staggering.


243 posted on 07/13/2017 6:18:26 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Luircin
Of course, ‘Padre Pio’ is a liar of the first order, but I’m more shocked how eager some Catholics seem to be to condemn everyone else to hellfire.

Yeah, but you'd better not give the impression that you are saying some Catholic is in hell, buddy or it'll be a feeding frenzy stating with them quoting Matthew 7:1.

244 posted on 07/13/2017 6:20:19 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Luircin; boatbums

No, I think you summed it up very nicely......


245 posted on 07/13/2017 6:28:36 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: boatbums; Luircin
Since the 1980s, Lutheran denominations have repudiated Martin Luther's statements against the Jews and have rejected the use of them to incite hatred against Lutherans.

And yet I do not nor ever have seen that kind of honestly and transparency out of Catholics or Catholicism in regards to their sordid history.

246 posted on 07/13/2017 6:30:40 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Luircin; boatbums
And when this is mentioned, all we get is...

*Nobody is perfect.*

*They're just sinners like the rest of us.*

*As long as their intent is pure, it doesn't matter what kind of personal life they live.*

*God uses imperfect people. So what?*

Top 10 Most Wicked Popes

http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/

1. Liberius, reigned 352-66 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
2. Honorius I, reigned 625-638 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
3. Stephen VI, reigned 896-89 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
4. John XII, reigned 955-964 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
5. Benedict IX, reigned 1032-1048 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
6. Boniface VIII, reigned 1294-1303 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
7. Urban VI, reigned 1378-1389 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
8. Alexander VI, reigned 1492-1503 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
9. Leo X, reigned 1513-1521 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
10. Clement VII, reigned 1523-1524 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]

Top 10 Worst Popes in History

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php

1. Pope Alexander VI (1431 – 1503)
2. Pope John XII (c. 937 – 964)
3. Pope Benedict IX (c. 1012 – 1065/85)
4. Pope Sergius III (? – 911)
5. Pope Stephen VI (? – 897)
6. Pope Julius III (1487 – 1555)
7. Pope Urban II (ca. 1035 – 1099)
8. Pope Clement VI (1291 – 1352)
9. Pope Leo X (1475 – 1521)
10. Pope Boniface VIII (c. 1235 – 1303)

But by gosh, Luther better be more perfect than Jesus Himself.

247 posted on 07/13/2017 6:36:13 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: HLPhat; RegulatorCountry
Is the time dilation predicted by Special and General Relativity incorporated into GPS systems?

It doesn't need to be.

Why are you deflecting instead of addressing the topic?

248 posted on 07/13/2017 6:37:42 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: boatbums; ebb tide; Luircin
Getta grip, ET! It was said like that for EFFECT and was not “taking the name of the Lord in vain”. Talk about gnat straining!

Legalism will do that to you.

249 posted on 07/13/2017 6:38:26 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom; boatbums; Luircin
>>Since the 1980s

So what were the keepers of the LCMS' curriculum doing between the time when CPH published its white washed "scholarly" edition of OTJATL and the 1980's.... other than mandating children be indoctrinated by having them regurgitate Martin Luther for an hour every morning?

Funny how the LCMS "appology" was made in 1983(?) but, between 1983 and 1987, the subject of OTJATL never came up even once in the classrooms, or the dorm rooms, or the locker rooms, or the bar rooms.... where LCMS college students discussed ALL things.

Meanwhile, today, the LCMS "leadership" ICONifies Luther, the drunken anti-Semite, as if all the angels dance in heaven when he farts.



250 posted on 07/13/2017 6:45:40 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: piusv

OK. You are the exception and in many ways.

And I do NOT mean that as an insult.

While we disagree totally on many aspects of faith,m I still have great respect for your unwavering stand for what you believe in and you civility while disagreeing.


251 posted on 07/13/2017 6:45:46 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: piusv

I honestly do not recall.


252 posted on 07/13/2017 6:46:26 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Just mythoughts

Beautifully delivered!


253 posted on 07/13/2017 6:50:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Some of us are able to log in at DC, dolt.

Do they still even exist any more?

What do they do with themselves now that the crevo threads have all but vanished from FR?

I seemed that their whole raison d'être was to froth at the mouth over the latest crevo threads.

254 posted on 07/13/2017 6:51:04 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Martin Luther devised and wrote down a plan in a book for the Holocaust. Unto his last year in this life he schemed to persecute the Jews that other German nobles, who evidently were righteous and did not just imagine themselves righteous, fed, housed, and protected. Almost five centuries later other German antisemites who praised Luther implemented his plan; evil fruit.

The Messiah may it very plain, over and over and over again. Making as it were (if it were possible), of none effect, Gentiles put aside, or misunderstood to their own destruction, the writings of those who are the foundation of the one holy catholic and apostolic Church, the Jewish Apostles and Prophets, with the Jewish Messiah as the chief cornerstone.

The Parable of the Sheep and Goats testifies :

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty five, Protestant verses thirty one to forty six,

as authorized, but not authored, by King James

255 posted on 07/13/2017 6:52:17 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Luircin

Numbers would say the Anabaptists had a much tougher time suriving. And Spain’s inquisition was royal not Papal. Done to solidify Ferdinand’s and Isabella’s rule over reconquered Spain.


256 posted on 07/13/2017 6:53:40 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: metmom

They’re still over there, regaling one another with their latest exploits in proselytization.

I’m still amused that they were so up in arms about creationism and didn’t want their thread, on the religion forum mind you, invaded by such “ignorance.” So, the RM approved them as a religious group so they could have atheist caucus threads, lol.


257 posted on 07/13/2017 6:54:12 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: piusv

It appears not.


258 posted on 07/13/2017 6:54:21 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

I know you don’t. I think part of the reason why is because I tend to stay out of the Catholic vs non-Catholic debates. I realize that we Catholics have bigger fish to fry these days.


259 posted on 07/13/2017 6:55:47 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: af_vet_1981

Your church, the Roman Catholic Church, didn’t just scheme to persecute Jews, they actually did it, for many centuries before Martin Luther was even a gleam in his father’s eye.

So, please stop behaving as if that this is not the case. It is, it’s historical fact and to me you’re looking rather foolish. No one is claiming to be pure as the driven snow, many Christians blamed Jews erroneously for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

It was in fact the Romans who crucified Jesus Christ, correct?


260 posted on 07/13/2017 6:58:27 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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