BlueDragon, apparently I have to explain something to you on step at a time because you do not (apparently) understand reality.
This was Iscool’s comment below. Please read it carefully. I know anti-Catholics often struggle with basic reading comprehension problems. Take your time.
“It is understood by may that Origen or likely Esebius was the actual author of your supposed Apocrypha long after the New Testament was written and inserted words and phrases that copied the New Testament...”
Origen lived from about A.D. 184 - 254.
Eusebius lived from about A.D. 260 - 340.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were ALL written BEFORE Origen or Eusebius were born. Thus, the fact that some of the Deuterocanonicals were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls means that Origen and Eusebius could not have written them.
That is IRREFUTABLY true. A man cannot go back in time and write a book that existed before he was born. We can argue over whether or not Shakespeare wrote all the plays ascribed to him. What no one can logically do is argue that the plays were written by someone else centuries later when they were already known to have existed before that someone else was born. Do you understand that?
Now, even though everything I wrote above - and previously stated in shorter form - is irrefutably true because time travel does not exist, you still wrote: “The very existence? Not hardly, as I pointed out, and did take some effort to explain just why.”
Again, people not yet born cannot write books which existed BEFORE THEY WERE BORN. That’s how the real world works.
Now, specifically about Origen. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that Origen wrote any of the Deuterocanonicals. None. 1) Some were known to exist in the Dead Sea Scrolls which predate Origen’s birth, 2) He discusses them in such a way that he clearly knows other people are aware of their existence far and wide and that can’t be because of him. http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/deut.html#Origen, [185-253/254 A.D] And the fact that Origen discusses Susanna, The Song of the Three Children, Sirach, Tobit, Judith, Maccabees, IN THE THIRD CENTURY automatically means Eusebius could not have written them ALMOST A CENTURY LATER BECAUSE THEY ALREADY EXISTED.
The very fact that I have to explain to someone that books can’t be written by people who are not yet born shows just how bizarre a comment like yours is.
I can only assume that you will now insist we were talking about something else. So, I will simply point out two things again:
1) This was Iscool’s original comment: “It is understood by may that Origen or likely Esebius was the actual author of your supposed Apocrypha long after the New Testament was written and inserted words and phrases that copied the New Testament...”
2) And this was what I wrote: “A claim was made that is directly refuted by the very existence of certain texts in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It’s just that simple.”
What I wrote was irrefutably true. If texts of the Deuterocanonicals exist in the Dead Sea Scrolls then they could not have been originally written by someone else a century or two afterward because they already existed.
Spare me the insult promo. You know that's not true. Or at least should know.
That's some beef I had nothing to do with, nor would raise any challenges whatsoever to anything which I DID say. I think I see here another of your games. Distract distract distract is the name of this one.
Pathetic. I had not entered into discussing or else supporting anything that you are trying to gin up fairy tail that I did.
The points I did write about where separate issues, and you should know that ---unless it is yourself who has reading comprehension "issues", this time quite possibly (since I'm feeling generous) yourself having read into what I had said, something which I had not.
If that is not the case, this would be doubly insulting. Lies piled on lies. I guess all you have left is attempt to anger your opponents. What a loser you are, vladi. Whats the matter? Are you seeking to get the thread locked down, or better yet "deleted" since you guys have suffered such a serious stomping of RCC apologetic regarding canonical issues in light of the typical sort of 'Catholic' massaging of the historical details in order to oh, so carefully shift things around to be in your favor?
And yet after someone is dead they can come back to earth and get a LOT of stuff written down!