Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would go against Revelation and the Magisterium, leading Christians to commit blasphemy and sacrilege, an Italian theologian has warned.
Drawing on the Churchs teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.
Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of open Communion proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.
The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Fathers own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.
The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations in special cases.
The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Popes recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given a new thrust to the ecumenical process.
Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kaspers theology whose thinking has significantly influenced the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.
For Moltmann, Holy Communion is the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination...
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Well, considering the circumstances of Jesus birth and their charge in bringing Him up, can you imagine how they felt about losing track of Him?
How they must have felt they let God down by not being more conscientious?
I always thought it was weird that saying prayers was supposed to be some kind of punishment for my confessed sins.
I gotta agree with rdmd1. An unsaved, unregenerate man, can not work out his salvation with fear and trembling, because he DOESN'T have any salvation to work out in the first place.
We born again Christians DO have assurance of salvation. If other people don't, maybe they should find out why. They shouldn't be utterly petrified at the thought of dying, unless they have never been born again. If that is the case, they really SHOULD be scared to death of dying, because the lake of fire awaits them. I have no idea why people choose the lake of fire over Heaven, but they do it by a WIDE, WIDE, WIDE margin. I have no idea what choice you made, but I hope you made the right one. It's a lot easier to get into the lake of fire, than it will be, to get out of it. Me and my friends here, have no intention of going there, and we ARE working out our salvation with fear and trembling, because we HAVE salvation in the first place. On the other hand, untold millions WILL choose the lake of fire over Heaven. That is too bad, but that's on them.
That brings us back to the issue of prayers to Mary and "saints". In reading some sources of Martin Luther's writings, I found:
He also recollected,
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2013/10/martin-luther-believed-in-devotion-to.html
“...by not being more conscientious?”
I agree - but I guess I was sticking up for Mary and Joseph about the difference in cultures back then. Not like today where Mom and Dad take the subway into the city and lose track of junior!
Now - would a perfect believer in God, and knowing that Jesus was pre-ordained by God to do great things (which Mary knew) - would they have even been anxious? I suppose so, but I could also see them saying something like “...but we know that God is watching over you and there was nothing to worry about.”
Of course that is our every-day dillema. Yes, God is watching over us and taking care of us, but bad things still happen. So we are anxious sometimes. Maybe the key there is “sometimes”; it IS good to be anxious and prudent sometimes, but not to always be living in fear.
Zactly. This is no academic matter to me. I grew up in a home where the fear factor was big. It doesn’t help. It doesn’t make someone better than they would be if they just trusted Jesus enough to take Him at his word. An atmosphere of continuous worry that at the last moment a lifetime of good deeds could be overturned by a single twisted thought at the end of life is a nightmare environment to live in. Nobody can really handle it. So what happens is they back it up a little, say there is some really grand sin that could cost you your standing in grace, but the lesser ones? No big deal. See what happens there? People start building rationalizations outside of divine truth on why they will probably be OK, and it always comes down to shifting the focus of trust from Jesus to the self. It’s a heart-sickening disaster.
Peace,
SR
While I do agree with a few things of the rcc abortion being one, but it’s very few and not on where my salvation comes from...
“For example, we have been (are) saved (via Baptism), we are being saved (via cooperation with Gods Grace in the Sacraments of Confession and Holy Eucharist) and we trust in the hope we will be saved should we continue to cooperate with God on Earth.”
I wasn’t saved by baptism I was bought and saved by the precious blood of my Savior Jesus Christ. Every human that has been saved on this planet has or will be saved only by the blood of the Lamb of God.
1 Peter 1:19, John 1:29, Acts 20:28, Romans 3:25, 1 Cor 5:7 & 6:20, Revelation 5:9
“Sacraments of Confession and Holy Eucharist”
Still the blood of Jesus Christ that saves you not your church nor anyone else can do anything to save you. As your so called church presents the “sacraments” they are and abomination to God, but as the rest of use they point right back at the sacrifice of Jesus Christ His shed Blood.
“cooperate”
I have read the Bible many a times from front to back and don’t recall having to cooperate to be saved.
If you mean to have faith and faith alone then yes, but add all your what can I do to please God then you are “dead” wrong.
Romans 4:16
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
You have to quit thinking what you can do, but instead giving thanks and praise the Living God through Jesus Christ for what He has already done for you!
I was saved before the first atom of the universe was created, how about you?
Eph 1:4, 2 Timothy 1:9, Ephesians 2:10
LOL. Sorry for using such graphically blunt language, but I think it accurately describes my past.
I always thought it was weird that saying prayers was supposed to be some kind of punishment for my confessed sins.
I admit I never thought of it from that standpoint. When I was in that "other religion," I have to admit, like Elsie quoted, I was just another heathen, mouthing a bunch of words, thinking I would be heard, because of my much speaking. I was, of course, just another poor deluded soul, and was not praying at all. It is weird, however, that members (not all) of that other religion, even if they thought of it as praying, might consider praying to be punishment for committing myriads of mortal sins. After that, I no longer told the priest about all my sins, because he started trying to pry into my personal life. I don't know if he did that, because he was getting his jollies, or if he really wanted to honestly help me stop sinning. I don't know which.
Anyway Elsie, I know what you mean, it gets old, refuting the same thing 5 million times, even though you told me a million times not to exaggerate. 😄
Hmmmm, that sounds more like Allah than anything else.
When I was in that other religion, I knew most of them were thinking they would probably be OK. I was not one of those. I was always scared I would get zapped by God into the lake of fire. Maybe that's why I came to Jesus, because I knew in my heart of hearts, that I wasn't going to make it.
AMEN! So succinctly stated even a Catholic should get it.
I fear you spent a great deal of time and effort not understanding what I said about fear, but worse, I can do nothing more for you at this time. I am sorry.
Peace,
SR
Hi. What youre saying sounds about right. I think it still needs some sort of helper in the English to get the sense across, so if may/might were struck, youd have to still do something extra to clarify the exact shade of meaning.
Finishing up on this problematic translation/interpretation:
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For your edification, an illuminating excerpt illustrating a properly constructed rendering
of the subjunctive mode in John 3 passage we were discussing:
From the volume "THE GOSPELS: A Precise Translation"
from the Byzantine/Majority Textform
Compared with the Textus Receptus and
A Chronological Harmony Embedded
by Dr. Fred Wittman; Freely available from Happy Heralds, Inc. (click here)
John 3:14-18*
14 And according as Moses liftedh high the serpenti in the desertk, in this way
it is absolutely necessary for the Son of /Manf to be liftedh high 15 in order that
everyone who is persistently committing trust unto Him not perish, but have
eternal absolute life.
16 For The God so lovedq the world, so that He gave His /Only Begotten /Son,
in order that everyone persistently committing trust unto Him onot perish but
ocontinually have Eternal Absolute Life. 17 For The God did not sendu His /Son
into the world in order that He ojudge the world, but in order that the world obe saved
through Him. 18 The one persistently committing trust unto Him is not being judged.
Butj the one not persistently committing trust already has been permanently judged
because he has not permanently committed trust unto the name of The Only Begotten
Son of The God.
Meaning of superscripted indices:
* = the words may, might, will, would, shall, should usually translated to indicate ubjunctive mode need not and do not appear in this passage, thus removing ambiguity as to the exact sense of the Greek syntax as it was intended to appear to the first-century Greek reader
/ = denotes that the word is articulate
f = Human h = exalted
i = snake
j = articulation continued k = Num. 21:6-9
o = subjunctive
q = sovereignly prefer over self and others
u = with a commission implied
v = intermediate agency
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That’s a great example of a well translated subjunctive. Thanks for keeping on digging. Finding that was worth the effort.
Peace,
SR
Yes, but still, something happening to one of your children?
Son of God or not, as a mother, that is traumatic.
You’d rather it happen to you than see anything happen to one of them.
It;’s just a mother’s natural instinct.
So true.
Hence, that categorization of sins into *mortal* and *venial*.
And the whole unscriptural theology built around that.
Heh, sometimes I’d lost count of how many Our Father’s or Hail Mary’s I’d said and was afraid of not having said enough so that my sins wouldn’t be forgiven.
So I’d say an extra couple, thinking that God would cut me some slack for being conscientious and doing more than I needed.
I’d have a little in the bank for next time if I went over but at least I’d met the minimum and had the forgiveness. WHEW!!!!
At least until after mass on Sunday morning. I was always pretty sure I could stay out of trouble at least over night.
What a brutal way to live, in constant fear.
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