Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.
Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.
Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.
The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”
The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”
The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”
Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.
For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...
(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...
Good thoughtful post, but if you believe this...”... I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved....”
I have news for you, you agree with the Catholic Church. For example, we have been (are) saved (via Baptism), we are being saved (via cooperation with God’s Grace in the Sacraments of Confession and Holy Eucharist) and we trust in the hope we will be saved should we continue to cooperate with God on Earth. For a good primer on what I mean by “hope” there see here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3513259/posts
From that link: “The theological virtue of hope is CONFIDENT EXPECTATION” (emphasis added)
So if you believe that we “have been, are, and will be saved” and you were raised Catholic, but are separated from the Church now for whatever reason there’s no reason for such separation as we believe what you believe. Come home, by simply going to Confession. Or if you’ve never been a Catholic, look into an RCIA program in your area.
Before I was saved, I was terrified of dying.
Now, I’m not looking forward to the process, but I am secure in my position before Him as His child and I do not fear it or Him.
I do not live in bondage to fear, constantly wondering if I’m doing good enough and if God is going to zap me for something I didn’t expect.
When my kids were small, I didn’t want them being afraid of me. Sure I wanted their respect and obedience, but out of trust in my love that I wouldn’t disown them every single time they slipped up.
Are we better than God? I don’t think so. And so He’s not going to disown us if we sin either. Yes, it will disappoint Him and we will come under His chastisement, but He’s NOT going to disown us. It’s not on again/ off again salvation dependent on our performance. We’re His children, not circus animals who perform for treats (heaven)
I am free to love Him and serve Him WITHOUT fear, living my life out of gratitude for saving me instead of out of obligation, in bondage because I fear His wrath.
If you insist on living a life enslaved to fear, have at it. That's your business. But you have no business demanding others take up the same yoke and bondage of fear that you have chosen to live under.
To demand that others join you in it is reprehensible.
Jesus came and set us free from fear. God constantly admonishes people in Scripture to *Fear not....*
What an insult to His character to portray Him as a God to be feared and serve out of fear.
Fear is from the enemy and results because we don't trust God.
Galatians 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
I am saved now and have been for almost 40 years, but God is still working out my salvation in me, sanctifying me, bringing me more and more into conformance with Christ’s character.
It takes time and is not without set backs, all due to my part.
But one thing I know, is that for all the rocky spots and times I really blew it, I never lost my salvation, never became unsaved, never had to fear that I would be in hell for slipping up or failing to confess something I forgot about.
Christ’s righteous character and works has been credited to my account and I am NOW seated with Him in the heavenly places above, where Christ reigns.
I have been born from above, born again, given a new, sinless Christ nature. And when this body of flesh finally dies, I will be done with that sin nature and propensity to sin forever and all that will be left is my new sinless Christ nature and because of that, I will IMMEDIATELY be in heaven with God when I die.
Actually, I am already in heaven, seated with Christ in the heavenly places.
HALLELUJAH!!!!!!
So by whose or what authority do you sit in judgment on your church and it’s leaders?
Does (or did) the Holy Spirit guide the college of cardinals in its selection of the pope?
Seems that I have not yet received an answer to either of those two questions.
Still awaiting your answer and I do not forget that I asked them. I remember that the answer is avoided at all costs by virtually every Catholics I have asked this of.
Or hunt, or whatever. 😀😆😄
It cannot save because water does not wash sin away.
Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
It doesn't and can't depend on what we DO. No amount of works saves us and Paul tells why.
It removes any basis for boasting before God.
If we could contribute at all to our salvation, to becoming saved, by something we did, (baptism, communion, confession, whatever), then we could stand before God and say *Look at what I did. Aren't I great?* and worst of all, *You owe me.* IOW, *Now You must let me in heaven on basis of MY merit*.
The glory goes to Him from beginning to end.
LOL!!!
Happy Inauguration Day!!!!!!!!!
WHOO HOO!!!!!!
Amen MM. I don’t know why this concept is so hard to grasp. We born again believers understand it perfectly. I guess it is spiritually discerned, and only true born again Christians understand it. Again, it isn’t brain surgery. It’s a whole bunch easier than that.
I really wish I could watch the ousting of Obungler, but it’s on at 3 AM here, so I don’t think I will be able to hack the program.
The man without the Spirit CANNOT understand them.
1 Corinthians 2:1-16 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—
these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Peter 3:21 Whereunto baptism, being of the like form, now saveth you
“It doesn’t and can’t depend on what we DO. No amount of works saves us and Paul tells why.
“It removes any basis for boasting before God.
“If we could contribute at all to our salvation, to becoming saved, by something we did, (baptism, communion, confession, whatever), then we could stand before God and say *Look at what I did. Aren’t I great?* and worst of all, *You owe me.* IOW, *Now You must let me in heaven on basis of MY merit*.
“The glory goes to Him from beginning to end.”
I never said it was the result of our works. Our cooperation with God’s work in us through the Sacraments is what saves. That’s different than our works alone.
We cooperate with His Grace by receiving His Sacramental gifts. It’s not a “work” to receive a gift.
In times of health, yes.
We have possibly entered the end times, however.
We can expect historically unusual cases to erupt.
There is the possibility and in fact a fulfillment of prophecies that there would be a falling away.
Let these whet your appetite for research:
•The Mysterious Conclave of 1958 — White Smoke two days before John XXIII http://novusordowatch.org/2016/10/smoke-signals-white-smoke-1958/
•After Pius XII: John XXIII or Someone Else? http://whitesmoke1958.com/
•Former FBI Consultant: Cardinal Siri Elected Pope in 1958 http://novusordowatch.org/fbi-consultant-cardinal-siri-elected-pope-1958/
“Call no man father”
Elsie,
Please comment on Saint Paul’s use of the term as illustrated in prior post:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3509997/posts?page=1108#1108
Was Saint Paul just being a good Catholic?
1 Peter 3:21-22 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
NOT water baptism.
If baptism saves, then Christ died for nothing.
But, again, only blood can atone for sin. Water can't do it. Water represents the Holy Spirit into whom we are baptized when we believe.
Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Additionally, the interpretation that baptism saves directly contradicts other clear teaching of salvation by believing, thus rendering it a wrong interpretation.
Ya da ya da, and so your soliloquy goes on, comforting yourself with your pathetic delusions, which vain recourse is a poor substitute for the multitude of refutations which are ignored, leaving you as one who is one of many elitist splinters who are even contrary to past papal teaching and above all, to the NT church as revealed in Scripture. A sad condition indeed. More iterations of Cath delusions will only make your damnation worse. May God yet grant you repentance unto the acknowledge of the Truth of Scripture, versus your fantasies
"A prince, while he is a little child, is presumably as willful and as ignorant as other little children. Sometimes he may be very obedient and teachable and affectionate, and then he is happy and approved. At other times he may be unruly, self-willed, and disobedient, and then he is unhappy, and perhaps is chastised—but he is just as much a prince on the one day as on the other. It may be hoped that, as time goes on, he will learn to bring himself into willing and affectionate subjection to every right way, and then he will be more princely, but not more really a prince. He was born a prince" (C.I.Scofield, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth).
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