Posted on 08/20/2016 7:45:03 AM PDT by Salvation
And you think this passes for refutation?
Without what it thinks is a monopoly on TRUTH, Rome would have no power.
BTW, the only answer to the question of whether the body Jesus indwells IN HEAVEN since the Ascension has come from a Catholic Priest who asserted the body in Heaven is a simple human body with flesh and blood! ... Contradicting clear teaching of the BIBLE, as per catholiciism's usual.
Nana!!
Wake up; we’re almost there!!!
The ‘absent’ apologists (like verga) find another name under which to do their little ploys.
As we more butthurt? I’m sorry for ya.
Are you infering that I am a vampire? Oh my whittle fweewings got weely hurt now. I’ll run to the mods for restitution like the protected class here in the FR religion forum.
And just who claimed that the writings of Catholics was infallible teachings? We are dealing with scholarship, whether it be Newman or a Klaus Schatz. Blithely dismissing those (many more than Johnson) who provide history that is contrary to RC propaganda is what exposes an agenda.
In addition, concerning "Lots of misunderstandings on FR," would you care to answer the questions pertinent to this issue of authoritative teaching such as another poster has avoided? What, in your opinion, requires assent? Do only Ex-Cathedra statements require assent, or does other papal public teaching, including all social encyclicals, and that of councils, all require assent, and what level and manner? And what do you consider authorative in defining what requires assent?
Jesus shed His blood on the cross, it was poured out.
Catholicism states the mass is a bloodless sacrifice.
Then they tell us that you have to literally eat the literal blood of Jesus, which comes from ......... somewhere.
Eat the blood of a “sacrifice” that has none?
O...K...
What? So this does not translate into the subjects being of the redeemed? And if the latter two at issue were not, then they could not be in purgatory. But that the unfaithful servants were punished, and the only location mentioned is with the lost, is what the text shows.
And you need to show that this postmortem suffering was due to sins for which they has not been punished enough for while on earth, while others did so while still on earth (according to purgatorial doctrine), but instead there are no exceptions in the warnings, even inferred, and all the unfaithful, unprepared souls will be punished. In short, what you need to show in order for this to support purgatory and overcome alternative explanations is what cannot be shown. Again, give it up, as your attempts are an argument against purgatory being Scriptural.
All I need to do is believe and obey everything the Messiah said to the best of my understanding. Love the LORD with all my heart, soul, and strength; love my neighbor as myself.
No, we are talking about what you need to do in order to use this text to support purgatory. Moving the goal posts admit it is not.
So servants, friends, and a flock are not believers? Surely you believe that, and that believers can become unfaithful servants who have their part with the lost, which is the only location given here for the unfaithful, as said, and with the degree of punishment being the only other thing that is mentioned. Thus you have no refutation.
. It is up to me to believe His teaching and obey it...Proof texts are not the issue;...The teaching clearly admits different levels of reward and punishment among His servants and friends...Obedience is the issue; this is something each one of us must do;
But which simply does not translate into even support, not a "proof text," for purgatory, which is what you invoked it for. Time to move on.
Another mere assertion, in contrast to abundant Scriptural substantiation by God's grace.
So whose banner are you picking up in changing the topic and trying to get the thread locked for *childish behavior*?
We’ve seen the pattern before. Every time the Catholics are taking a beating when their doctrinal errors are being exposed and they can’t refute them.
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The Catholics are not taking a beating by any stretch of the imagination however the Anti-Catholics... well let’s just say , they appear the same as they always do.
Now let’s not continue with any “personal attacks” or I shall have to notify the mods.
The relevance is not whether the servants, friends, and the flock of the LORD are believers, but rather whether they are doing what He says. Servants, friends, and the flock of the Messiah must obey his commandments and be found waiting for the LORD or suffer punishment; including being cut asunder and assigned a portion with unbelievers, beating beaten with many stripes, or suffering few stripes. It is interesting that the portion of that steward who will be elevated over His entire household was His first response to Peter after Peter's question as to whom the teaching applied, the little flock of disciples, or others too. This does not refute what He said. It is what He said. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Revelation, Catholic chapter twenty two, Protestant verses ten to seventeen, as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
boldness mine
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