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On the Holy Rosary
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Posted on 07/05/2016 1:04:18 AM PDT by OrthodoxIndianCatholic

Dear Friends in Jesus and Mary,

The Holy Rosary has a very special place in my "Spiritual Life".

Recitation of the Holy Rosary has helped me to cope with the ups and downs of life.

My Mother used to often tell me, that if you are troubled in any way ---- "Go to Jesus and Mary" by reciting the Holy Rosary. They will never let you down.

When I recite the Holy Rosary, I often think of the unique and special relationship between Jesus Christ and Mother Mary during their life on earth.

I have never stopped reciting the Holy Rosary when I learnt it at the age of 10.

I believe that the Holy Rosary is a Miraculous Prayer in itself and if said with faith and devotion it is a great help on a daily basis.

Here are two beautiful articles on the Holy Rosary.

1) The Seven Dolour Rosary.

http://www.ecatholic2000.com/cts/untitled-632.shtml#_Toc349936297

2) Suggestions on saying the Holy Rosary

http://www.ecatholic2000.com/cts/untitled-469.shtml#_Toc349936134


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Prayer
KEYWORDS: rosary
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To: daniel1212
Fwiw, your battle with the Catholic Church is not interesting to me and I believe that your perspective closes one off to a vast array of data.

That's a very limiting approach to learning and trouble shooting and it runs counter to my nature and work experience.

Moreover, your battle runs counter to my understanding of the Christian understanding that I've come to thus far in my seeking and in life in general.

Given all of that, I fear that I would be condemning my self were I to walk that same path as you and act accordingly.

For those reasons, I can't help but worry about you and others who seem to know so much more than I do, yet make what seems to me to be a fundamental error of going to war believer against believer.

I'm in enough foul trouble already and have no interest in any of that. Honestly, I don't see any winner in that war other than Satan.

121 posted on 07/06/2016 8:38:25 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA
Hear you loud and clear.

It's coming from "opposite-land" --where part of what you say, refutes other assertions.

I could explain how that is, break it down step-by-step,but it would tedious, and tend to make the thread be about people rather than about perspectives, and vast arrays of data.

Try discussing the data itself (or not) and not delve into analysis of persons here, including allusions to, and speculations towards their motivations --when they offer, or point towards "arrays of data".

Unless you would care to open this up to each being treated the same, operating under the same rules you do, thus yourself become subject of off-hand commentary regarding your own self and motivations, instead of whatever subject matter was under discussion?

Then again, that would go against the rules of this forum. We can't have that, now can we?

122 posted on 07/06/2016 9:27:30 PM PDT by 7MMmag ( bullets that spin and explode sold separately)
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To: 7MMmag
It must be late and I'm getting tired, but I'm not following you and what you're saying in your post to me.

If you're saying that the Protestant vs Catholic thing works for you, then have at it. I'm just saying that I don't get it and that it seems like a very bad idea.

Lowly sinner that I am and never the smartest guy in any room, all I have is my perspective and that's all I'm offering.

As far as the PvC family feud is concerned, I'm saying with me "there's no war here unless you've brought it with you."

I'm just another believer looking for clues, gathering data, pondering His Mysteries, and trying to work through my theories on how all of this data fits together so I can makes sense of it.

For example, Mother Mary is one of those Mysteries, too, and there is quite a lot of Mother Mary data to sort through and account for and understand.

That's where I'm at these days. I prayed for Him to reveal Himself to me and that's what He did, right when I needed Him the most.

And now my life has never been better!

123 posted on 07/06/2016 10:01:47 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA; daniel1212
>>>> It must be late and I'm getting tired, but I'm not following you and what you're saying in your post to me. <<<<

Yet that didn't stop you from in the very next sentence, putting words into my mouth as it were;

>>>> If you're saying that the Protestant vs Catholic thing works for you, then have at it. <<<<

doing so even after you had previously taken a side, so to speak.

>>>> I'm just saying that I don't get it and that it seems like a very bad idea. <<<<

Huh? Take a side, favor a view (as you did, in promoting a view) but when that is challenged it's like doing so is automatically "a very bad idea"?

>>>> Lowly sinner that I am and never the smartest guy in any room, all I have is my perspective and that's all I'm offering. <<<<

Then please leave off inclusion of discussion of poster's motivations, unless your own should also become subject to examination, and discussion.

>>>> As far as the PvC family feud is concerned, I'm saying with me "there's no war here unless you've brought it with you." <<<<

War? I'm not supposed to recognize your own dismissive comments towards daniel1212, all the delving into and alluding to motivation (now extended towards myself also, it seems) is not just some form of low-level, and quietly stealthy forum discussion cunning, which if allowed to go on would leave you free to promote whatever points of view you hold, while characterizing challenges to those views as "bad" and "war"? Sounds and looks like an attempt to enforce one-way practice of double standards, to me.

>>>> For example, Mother Mary is one of those Mysteries, too, and there is quite a lot of Mother Mary data to sort through and account for and understand. <<<<

And where does that "Mother Mary" data come from? Why even capitalize the word "Mother" as a title?

There is One Father in Heaven. The incarnate Christ's own mother (Mary) was an earthly being.

You know, if the Greeks at Council of Ephesus had sought to promote an unreserved notion of Mary as capital "M" Mother of God, they could have very well chosen to coin terminology differing from what was chosen and agreed upon by those who were seeking to stem the perceived error of overemphasizing the human nature of Christ to the detriment of recognition of the Divine nature of Christ.

The word which was invented (Theotokos) translates more literally into English as "God bearer" rather than capitalized title Mother of God (God Mother), though the latter is where men almost immediately began to take it. Bear in mind here that the Greek language did not lack word for "mother". They deliberately avoided going fully "there" with it, in recognition of the aspect of the eternal nature of Christ, sharing as he does that transcendence [3 with the eternal Creator-- in fact, rather himself (Jesus) being that Creator, though it be puzzling to many how the Creator could remain enthroned in the Heavenlies while also taking on the ~quite literal~ form of a man, at the same time. Many stumble at this point, Muslims most acutely one could say, although Jews of old (and still today) pshaw (show contempt) for the concept, despite the remedy being extant among their own religious tradition which would cure the problem -- namely -- that among ancient Hebrew tradition there was long acceptance and promotion even that sons are equivalents to their own rightful fathers, according to flesh, and according to spirit too.

Moving on from that, soon after Council of Ephesus, Marionism developed by leaps and bounds, encompassing expressions in regards to Mary the kind and tone of which had formerly been singled out and identified as theological error.

To put it another way -- in tamping down one perceived error, namely the limiting of Jesus to have had the divine Logos (merely) dwell within himself -rather than Jesus be living personification of that Logos (Word), and in that way be the Immanuel, God with us in person, the correction opened a door for elevation of Mary to (eventually, through doctrinal development) be so nearly on par with Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, to have become in function (theologically speaking) included as a fourth (though not openly declared thus "counted") member of the Trinity.

>>>> That's where I'm at these days. I prayed for Him to reveal Himself to me and that's what He did, right when I needed Him the most. <<<<

Hey, great. Glad to hear it. What's that got to do with "Mary"?

Dropping links to Marionist devotional material, while simultaneously posturing yourself as being above the fray, ain't gonna' fly.

124 posted on 07/06/2016 11:51:55 PM PDT by 7MMmag ( bullets that spin and explode sold separately)
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To: GBA
For those reasons, I can't help but worry about you and others who seem to know so much more than I do, yet make what seems to me to be a fundamental error of going to war believer against believer.

What else is there; other than tilting at windmills?

Ya gotta get down to a human SOMEWHERE along the line!

125 posted on 07/07/2016 3:12:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GBA
"A sword for the LORD and for Gideon!" (Judges 7:15-20)

Was the cry of the OT when battling against competing ideas.

What is a sword?


Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit...


Luke 22:38
The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"That's enough!"


...battle with ISLAM is not interesting to me and I believe that your perspective closes one off to a vast array of data.

"Believers" are NOT going to win any battles with Islam by using 'data' that Mecca provides; but by using the written Word of GOD.





NIV Matthew 2:5
"In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

NIV Matthew 4:1-11
1. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
2. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
3. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
4. Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "
5. Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "`He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "
7. Jesus answered him, "It is also written: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
9. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
10. Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "
11. Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

NIV Matthew 11:10
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Matthew 21:13
"It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.' "

NIV Matthew 26:24
The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.

NIV Matthew 26:31
Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

NIV Mark 7:6-7
6. He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
7. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

NIV Mark 9:11-13
11. And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
12. Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
13. But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

NIV Mark 11:17
And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: "`My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations' ? But you have made it `a den of robbers.' "

NIV Mark 14:27
"You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

NIV Luke 1:1-4
1. Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us,
2. just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
3. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
4. so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

NIV Luke 4:17-19
17. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18. "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
19. to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

NIV Luke 7:27
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Luke 10:26
"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

NIV Luke 18:31-33
31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
32. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
33. On the third day he will rise again."

NIV Luke 20:17-18
17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

NIV Luke 21:22
For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

NIV Luke 22:37
It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

NIV Luke 24:44-47
44. He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
45. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46. He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47. and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

NIV John 2:17
His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
 
NIV John 6:31
Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

NIV John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

NIV John 12:14-16
14. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
15. "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
16. At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

NIV John 15:25
But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

NIV John 20:30-31
30. Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
31. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

NIV Acts 1:20
"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "`May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "`May another take his place of leadership.'

NIV Acts 7:42
But God turned away and gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: "`Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?

NIV Acts 13:29
When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.

NIV Acts 13:32-33
32. "We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers
33. he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "`You are my Son; today I have become your Father. '

NIV Acts 15:15-18
15. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16. "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
17. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
18. that have been known for ages.

NIV Acts 23:5
Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: `Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.' "

NIV Acts 24:14
However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

NIV Romans 1:17
For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

NIV Romans 2:24
As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

NIV Romans 3:4
Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

NIV Romans 3:10-12
10. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
11. there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
12. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

NIV Romans 4:17
As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

NIV Romans 4:23-24
23. The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone,
24. but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

NIV Romans 8:36
As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

NIV Romans 9:13
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

NIV Romans 9:33
As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

NIV Romans 10:15
And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

NIV Romans 11:7-10
7. What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
8. as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day."
9. And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever."

NIV Romans 11:26-27
26. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

NIV Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

NIV Romans 14:11
It is written: "`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

NIV Romans 15:3-4
3. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
4. For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

NIV Romans 15:7-12
7. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
8. For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs
9. so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written: "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name."
10. Again, it says, "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people."
11. And again, "Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles, and sing praises to him, all you peoples."
12. And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him."

NIV Romans 15:21
Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:31
Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:9
However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" --

NIV 1 Corinthians 3:19-20
19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness" ;
20. and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

NIV 1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:7
Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry."

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:11
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

NIV 1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:54
When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

NIV 2 Corinthians 4:13-14
13. it is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,
14. because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence.

NIV 2 Corinthians 8:15
as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."

NIV Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

NIV Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

NIV Galatians 4:22
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.

NIV Galatians 4:27
For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."

NIV Hebrews 10:7
Then I said, `Here I am-- it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.'"

NIV 1 Peter 1:15-16
But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."

NIV 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

NIV 1 John 2:12-14
12. I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
13. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.
14. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

126 posted on 07/07/2016 3:25:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GBA
As far as the PvC family feud is concerned, I'm saying with me "there's no war here unless you've brought it with you."

The 'war' was STARTED by CORRUPTION in the Roman Catholic Church.

Many 'reformers' tried to straighten her out; but none were as effective as Luther.

The 'Counter' Reformation followed in the Catholic church.


WAR! you say?

Sometimes things are caused by what is known as fightin' words!!


"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

127 posted on 07/07/2016 3:31:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 7MMmag
Dropping links to Marionist devotional material, while simultaneously posturing yourself as being above the fray, ain't gonna' fly.

Dang!

We didn't think y'all would notice!

--Catholic_wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!)




128 posted on 07/07/2016 3:33:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: OrthodoxIndianCatholic

Later


129 posted on 07/07/2016 4:14:49 AM PDT by I_be_tc
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To: daniel1212
You have only demonstrated Cath. cultism. But what is the basis for your assurance of the veracity of Catholic teaching.

And you have only demonstrated the Protestant penchant for hurling nasty contrived accusations when you get backed into a theological corner.

And that's the problem with you people. It's one of the reasons I crossed the Tiber after more than twenty years as a fundamentalist/evangelical. If it's not lying, cheating, or stealing you people don't recognize any of the other cardinal sins, as sin. Protestant Bible thumpers have turned respect for Scripture into the very definition of legalism. It's no wonder many cradle Catholics don't even bother with the Bible.

130 posted on 07/07/2016 5:38:28 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: daniel1212
Is your argument that a complete infallible canon is essential in order for the veracity of a doctrine to be based on Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, under SS?

It is in answer to the assertion that Trinitarian theology requires a systematic study of the Scripture to validate. I don't need to try to make the Bible say things it only alludes to, because I accept Holy Tradition as authoritative along with the Bible.

And I don't need to pull sleazy tricks like conflating the Christian Canon with the Old Testament Scripture when quoting Acts, either.

131 posted on 07/07/2016 5:50:04 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: daniel1212
By "common fundamental practice" i am referring to prayer to created beings...

In other words, you're pulling the definition out of your hat to provide your Pharisaical attacks the patina of legitimacy.

And BTW, redoubling those attacks while repeating your casus belli for those attacks does not change the fact those attacks are rooted in Biblical silence.

I know you know the Catholic justification, but you have chosen to set that aside, ignore the fact that God did not choose to prohibit what you want prohibited, and declare your thesis authoritative in contravention of the Commandment against taking the Name of the Lord in vain.

Good luck with that.

...if you want to believe that inhabiting the plant Kolob is a warranted...

The Mormons came out of YOU, not us.

You will have to be more coherent than that if you want a meaningful exchange.

Let me refer you to your first two paragraphs from the post this one answers.

132 posted on 07/07/2016 6:23:05 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: 7MMmag
Once again, I'm not following you, but I thank you for clarifying your position, though.

Fwiw, you lost me early and I got stuck and couldn't get past it.

I'm still trying to figure out how you thought I was putting words in your mouth, along with my "dismissive comments towards daniel1212, all the delving into and alluding to motivation (now extended towards myself also, it seems) is not just some form of low-level, and quietly stealthy forum discussion cunning" and all the rest.

Whatever it is you think I've done, I hope you'll forgive my trespass against you and daniel2112 to whatever extent I merit.

Regardless, if whatever you said works for you, then what more is there for me to say? You're set.

Sorry for my not being able to understand what you tried so hard to tell me.

I've had a few rounds of major head trauma and I wonder about my self sometimes.

133 posted on 07/07/2016 7:46:46 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: jacknhoo

No. Actually it shows us that Christ appointed John to take physical and financial care of Mary as He was leaving for a time. Nothing more. Most of us make provisions for our parents/children in the event of our death. Even on the cross Christ was supremely in control and took care of every detail.


134 posted on 07/07/2016 7:57:39 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: papertyger

All prayer requests are granted. Most not in the way we envision, but God hears all prayer. He answers every one in His timing and perfect wisdom. A lot of times the answer is a resounding NO.


135 posted on 07/07/2016 7:59:11 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: papertyger

No. Catholics are just bound to the Scriptural pronouncements of fallible humans they blasphemously call the Vicar of Christ, many of whom were overtly evil or questionably even Christian at all....


136 posted on 07/07/2016 8:00:37 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: papertyger

That is the saddest statement I have heard, but profoundly true. Many catholics don’t bother with the Bible. Why should they listen to God when they can have someone else tell them what the catholics think they should believe? They cut themselves off from Truth and instead accept a hodgepodge of culture/pronouncements and declarations from a corrupt earthly system. What could go wrong?


137 posted on 07/07/2016 8:05:10 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Elsie
Friend, if you're thinking I'm a Catholic wannabe, let me set you straight. I'm not a joiner kinda guy.

My best self-diagnosis/SWAG is that I'm "AnthropoGrouchophobic" which is a fear of a group of people who would have me as a member of their group.

Yep, no joining for me!

So you see, I'm just an observer gathering data and I find that there is a very large amount of Mary data in our now and throughout history to account for.

In reading your posts over the years, your truth has you in what seems to me to be a "case-closed" position where you're no longer taking or even considering additional data, especially not the data that is outside of your "case-closed" understanding.

And yet, the data exists and new data is continually being added. Since I'm not a "global warming scientist", I have to take that data and account for it.

My current theory sees the Bible as being kinda like a text book.

And, not unlike how you'll find the basics of physics or chemistry, for example, the formulas and general theories, with lots of real life examples to show the math in a text book, the text book itself is ultimately just the introduction to a much greater world.

In other words, everything in that text book is truth, but not all of the truth is in the text book.

It's "out there" in life and "in here" in our heads and hearts for each of us to discover.

The material from True Life In God is more data to account for and understand. Or not, if that's your truth.

Given my theories about where we are in the story we were born into, the messages in TLIG seem remarkably well-timed, which in and of itself brings more questions, more data and then even more questions...or not.

138 posted on 07/07/2016 8:32:22 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Mom MD
All prayer requests are granted. Most not in the way we envision...

Nonsense. When three of you pray for Aunt Tillie's healing, and she dies: that's a denial. Period. It also debunks the standard Protestant hermeneutic when applied to John 14:13.

139 posted on 07/07/2016 1:16:44 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger; daniel1212
And you have only demonstrated the Protestant penchant for hurling nasty contrived accusations when you get backed into a theological corner.

And Catholic hands are clean in this regard? You must be new to these discussions. BTW, I'll give you an example of "the Catholic penchant for hurling nasty contrived accusations." I reprinted your next paragraph in case you forgot:

And that's the problem with you people. It's one of the reasons I crossed the Tiber after more than twenty years as a fundamentalist/evangelical. If it's not lying, cheating, or stealing you people don't recognize any of the other cardinal sins, as sin. Protestant Bible thumpers have turned respect for Scripture into the very definition of legalism. It's no wonder many cradle Catholics don't even bother with the Bible.

The last accusation is better laid at the feet of the Catholic clergy than at the feet of the Protestants.

140 posted on 07/07/2016 1:23:57 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of incompetence and corruption.)
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