Posted on 06/24/2016 9:29:12 AM PDT by ebb tide
A leading cardinal has said the Catholic Church should apologise to the gay community for its scandalous and terrible treatment of them, which had not changed until “very recently”.
Speaking in Dublin, Cardinal Reinhard Marx said: “The history of homosexuals in our societies is very bad because we’ve done a lot to marginalise [them].”
As church and society “we’ve also to say ‘sorry, sorry’ ”.
The German cardinal is a member of the council of nine cardinals chosen by Pope Francis to advise him.
Until “very recently”, the church, but also society at large, had been “very negative about gay people . . . it was the whole society. It was a scandal and terrible,” he told The Irish Times after speaking at a conference held in Trinity College.
He said he had “shocked” people at the October 2014 extraordinary synod of bishops in Rome when he asked how it was possible to dismiss as worthless a same-sex relationship of years duration where both men had been faithful.
“We have to respect the decisions of people. We have to respect also, as I said in the first synod on the family, some were shocked but I think it’s normal, you cannot say that a relationship between a man and a man and they are faithful [that] that is nothing, that has no worth,” he said.
Archbishop of Munich and Freising, Cardinal Marx would not be drawn when asked by The Irish Times for his view on Vatican secretary of state Cardinal Parolin’s description of the marriage equality referendum result in Ireland last year as “a defeat for humanity”.
Hesitant to judge
Cardinal Marx said, “I don’t comment on others because that is not good.” As an outsider in the Irish context he was “hesitant” about making a judgment, he said. He spoke to the media in Trinity College Dublin after addressing a conference organised by Trinity’s Loyola Institute on The Role of Church in a Pluralist Society: Good Riddance or Good Influence?
It is up to the state “to make regulations for homosexuals so they have equal rights or nearly equal . . . but marriage is another point”, he said. The secular state “has to regulate these partnerships and to bring them into a just position and we as church cannot be against it”.
But “in all the history of mankind that [marriage] was the relationship between one man and woman, two who are open to give life for the next generation and that is a special relationship I think.”
The state “must be secular. The state is not a Christian state. But the society is not secular. Society is Christian or religious, non-religious, multireligious, whatever,” he said.
You want an apology, Cardinal Marx? Here’s an apology for you: “You’re a loser. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.”
reparations cannot be far behind...
yes, apologize to the unrepentant sinners.
Because God loves the unrepentant sinners.
What ecclesiastical BS!
Is the Pope a Catholic?
Why?
If it were not for pedophile priests over the decades, there wouldn’t be nearly as many “gays” as there are today.
Marx's objective is clear and a statement to this effect was inserted in the interim relatio of the 2014 Extraordinary Synod on the Family; namely that the Church should recognize the "value" in "committed" same sex relationships. This caused an uproar at the time but it's clear that Marx is not backing off. He appears to have little fear of censure or disciplinary action and it's easy to see why. Francis' now infamous "who am I to judge?" comment was in response to a question about homosexuals in the priesthood.
There is an orchestrated effort underway to make the Church lavender friendly and all the demonizing of "rigidity" and "doctors of the law" which Francis has been spewing for three years now, is directed principally to this end. The lines are being blurred for heterosexual marriage first, regarding what is and is not a "valid" union but it's a forerunner of bigger things to come.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
| 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. |
This statement by Marx ignores the tenets of the Catholic Church
The Church has nothing to apologize for, here
The Catholic Church welcomes gays as well as it does any sinner who repents, sincerely intends to repent and struggles with temptation. Like any other living human being. Just as Christ teaches
These spokespeople have an agenda of their own
How many times has the Catholic Church apologized to the hundreds of rape victims.
I am a FORMER Catholic and the Pope needs the STHU.
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It is quite apparent the Catholic Church is moving in a slow yet determined manner to accept the practice of homosexuality.
Among other consequences, the Catholic Church must now completely renounce their opposition to birth control. If the Catholic Church holds that birth control is a sinful act because it denies the process of procreation, then the church can no longer oppose birth control because all homosexual acts engage in a sexual practice that denies the process of procreation.
Now that the Catholic Church is actively undertaking steps to separate themselves from immutable truth they have engaged with certainty the perpetual motion of their own self devolution.
I call upon all those who love the Lord Jesus Christ to come out from any organization that has set upon idolatry.
What a pathetic excuse for a man of the church. I can’t wait until the likes of Marx and berg olio are enjoying their retirement
The only apology needed is for failing to remind them that sodomy is a serious sin that will threaten their eternal salvation.
You are always a Catholic once you are baptized as a Catholic. You may not be a practicing Catholic at this time, but you are still a Catholic.
Please sit down with a priest and get your questions answered.
Interesting, but I don’t believe the paragraph will be removed.
Of course, then we always have Jesus’ quotes in the Bible.
**It is quite apparent the Catholic Church is moving in a slow yet determined manner to accept the practice of homosexuality.**
In my opinion, that will never happen. Read your bible.
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