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Spiritual Food Blogspot ^ | May 10, 2016 | Rev. Joseph Dwight

[Mrs. Don-o]

Why are you injecting a bloody Nazi into this sacred history?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Elsie. Listen. A "generalization" has to rely on at least two instances. As a matter of definition you cannot generalize --- detect a recurring pattern --- from one instance.

Sigh.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Really.

[Mrs. Don-o]

When I'm dumb, I don't have to *play* dumb.

:o)

So graciously tell me, what *was* your point?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Pretty good for somebody for whom the Lord has done great things.

Wait til you're in heaven, and see what you'll be able to do! "Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, nor has it entered into the mind of man to imagine, what God has prepared for those who love Him."

[Elsie]

And Olivia says, astonished and perplexed, "But how shall this happen to me, because I know not man?"

And my husband has AGREED to never ever try to seduce me into that nasty stuff I heard about in the Family Planning classes we took!

[Elsie]

As for Joseph divorcing Mary quietly, that doesn't serve as a counter-argument. That doesn't imply anything, except that he's perplexed: is he supposed to be the guardian of her bastard children as well? But he was kind and did not want her exposed to a public shaming. As it was, as soon as the angel provided the explanation about the Divine origin of this Child, he took her into his home as planned, and it was for all the world to assume that the child was Joseph's.

Sorry; but your 'EXPLANATION' needs some 'spalinin' of it's own; since it contracts the assertion YOU made about being a 'guardian'.

[Elsie]

Why are you injecting a bloody Nazi into this sacred history?

[Elsie]

As a matter of definition you cannot generalize --- detect a recurring pattern --- from one instance.

I know.

It takes at least TWO unrelated ones.

[Elsie]

I’ll accept your self analysis.

[Mrs. Don-o]

No, why would “Olivia”-— or Mary -— say such a thing?

[Mrs. Don-o]

So he's supposed to be a guardian for this virgin, and she turns up pregnant? Wouldn't you think this would offend his sense of propriety? Isn't it a tribute to his uprightness that he just says, "She's obviously going her own way. OK, she goes on with her life, and I'll go on with mine. No need to punish her, I'll divorce her quietly."

I could understand and respect that response. It's not til he realizes that the child is from God, that the way forward with Mary seems clear to him again.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Deja vu all over again. I asked you!

It's always an unsettling sign when someone in a Christian discussion gets obliquely compared to a diabolically lying, mass murdering Nazi fiend. That's not the way to argue, Elsie.

[Mrs. Don-o]

You still haven’t explained your point, but I’ll let it drop. Sometimes you confuse me, rather.

[Elsie]

I could understand and respect that response.

I do NOT understand OR respect your assertions:

Mary and Joseph both knew they would not be having marital sex (which is why Mary asks "How shall this happen?" when she is told by Archangel Gabriel she will conceive) Joseph was marrying her more as a guardian, than as a husband in the conjugal sense of the word.

[Elsie]

It's always an unsettling sign when someone in a Christian discussion gets obliquely compared to a diabolically lying, mass murdering Nazi fiend.

You'd much rather have a NORMAL Jewish girl be turned into an unresponsive, frigid wife?

Ok; but it makes no sense to me.

[Mrs. Don-o]

You think a consecrated virgin is an unresponsive, frigid wife?

You think Joseph importuned this consecrated virgin for sex when she was the human equivalent of the Ark of the Covenant --- overswhadowed and imregnated by the power of the Holy Spirit --- the Kecharitomene--- the dwelling place of the Almighty --- and even moreso, she was his mother?

You think he would dare approach her that way? No. He was a reverent man. A good man A pious Jew. A mensch. A Tzadik.

You are very much mistaken.

[BipolarBob]

After the Ark delivered the Goods, there is no good reason, explanation or Bible verse stating she could not at that time begin to consummate the marriage contract that both had consented to at the beginning. Unless Mary wanted to breach said contract but that would be a sin.

[Mrs. Don-o]

First, how do you know what had been agreed between Mary and Joseph beforehand, what was in their ketubah?

Second, your words sound pretty crass about "the Ark delivered the goods." Mary was not just, in a physical sense, a "reproductive unit," a procreative utility to be picked up, used, and dropped, a kind of rented womb. She was the Daughter of the Covenant, Bride of the Spirit, Mother of the King. She personified Covenanted Israel bringing forth the Messiah, and with a personal, intimate, and permanent covenant relationship with the Him. Even before she conceived Him, she was Kecharitomene, an incomparable vessel of blessing.

As Jesus said --- rejecting mere biological reductionism--- "Don't just say 'Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts that nursed you." Rather, "Blessed they who hear the word of God, and kept it." Mary, par excellence, heard the Word of God and kept it.

Do you think God would have thrown this Covenant Daughter, this Bride of the Spirit, this Queen Mother, back to Joseph, like "Here, I got what I wanted, now you can have her"?

Impossible. Unthinkable.

[WVKayaker]

Impossible. Unthinkable.

Only to the fully indoctrinated Roman Catholic cult! Scripture tells us otherwise.

Instead of being mother of a loving family, including Jesus' BROTHERS AND SISTERS, they make the woman into an idol of worship. No, you cannot bow to someone, pray to someone, and make up ridiculous unfounded claims of apparitions and other demonic activity, and still say what is said by the Roman Catholic cult! They WORSHIP their made-up Mary... and that is sad, because they should be focusing on Jesus, not some stupid beads and vain repetitious words.

I am sorry that so many have been fooled over the centuries by one of Satan's greatest accomplishments. To the RCC, "smells and bells" are the most important things!

Matthew 22: ...24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”

29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. ...