[Mrs. Don-o]

First, how do you know what had been agreed between Mary and Joseph beforehand, what was in their ketubah?

Second, your words sound pretty crass about "the Ark delivered the goods." Mary was not just, in a physical sense, a "reproductive unit," a procreative utility to be picked up, used, and dropped, a kind of rented womb. She was the Daughter of the Covenant, Bride of the Spirit, Mother of the King. She personified Covenanted Israel bringing forth the Messiah, and with a personal, intimate, and permanent covenant relationship with the Him. Even before she conceived Him, she was Kecharitomene, an incomparable vessel of blessing.

As Jesus said --- rejecting mere biological reductionism--- "Don't just say 'Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts that nursed you." Rather, "Blessed they who hear the word of God, and kept it." Mary, par excellence, heard the Word of God and kept it.

Do you think God would have thrown this Covenant Daughter, this Bride of the Spirit, this Queen Mother, back to Joseph, like "Here, I got what I wanted, now you can have her"?

Impossible. Unthinkable.

[WVKayaker]

Impossible. Unthinkable.

Only to the fully indoctrinated Roman Catholic cult! Scripture tells us otherwise.

Instead of being mother of a loving family, including Jesus' BROTHERS AND SISTERS, they make the woman into an idol of worship. No, you cannot bow to someone, pray to someone, and make up ridiculous unfounded claims of apparitions and other demonic activity, and still say what is said by the Roman Catholic cult! They WORSHIP their made-up Mary... and that is sad, because they should be focusing on Jesus, not some stupid beads and vain repetitious words.

I am sorry that so many have been fooled over the centuries by one of Satan's greatest accomplishments. To the RCC, "smells and bells" are the most important things!

Matthew 22: ...24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”

29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. ...

[BipolarBob]

First, how do you know what had been agreed between Mary and Joseph beforehand
I've experienced marriage for one and the surprise Mary expresses about being pregnant when she knew not man. Do Catholics have some sort of tradition or document about the marriage agreement between two specific people two thousand years ago?
your words sound pretty crass about "the Ark delivered the goods."
You made the Ark analogy, not me. Elevating mankind above their paygrade is never permitted in the Bible. "All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God".
The only Queen Mother referred to is The Church not Mary.
Impossible. Unthinkable.
Only to a Catholic. Did God not give Adam a helpmate and say "It is not good for man to be alone?" Why would He treat Joseph different? Any good reason? No, unless one wanted to make Mary some sort of demi-Goddess.

[Elsie]

First, how do you know what had been agreed between Mary and Joseph beforehand, what was in their ketubah?

Oh; I'd say about the same way you do...

GUESSING.

ASSUMING..

Hoping...

[Elsie]

...Covenant Daughter, this Bride of the Spirit, this Queen Mother...

Only THREE made up titles?

You are slipping!

The way it's written:

 

Galatians 4:4-5

But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, ⁵ to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.

 

The way Rome teaches it:

 

Galatians 4:4-5

But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a....

 

Co-Redemptrix, 
Ark of the Covenant,
Cause of Our Joy,

Cause of our Salvation ,
Comfort of the Afflicted,
Destroyer of Heresy,
Ever-virgin ,
Favoured Daughter of the Father,
Gate of Heaven,
God-bearer,
Health of the Sick,
Help of Christians,
Holy Mary,
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of Virgins,
House of Gold,
Joy of the Just,
Majesty,
Mirror of Justice,
Morning Star,
Most Holy,
Mother Admirable,
Mother Inviolate,
Mother Most Amiable,
Mother Most Chaste,
Mother Most Pure,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of Divine Grace,
Mother of God,
Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Mercy,
Mother of Orphans,
Mother of Our Creator,
Mother of Our Redeemer,
Mother of Sorrows,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of the Poor,
Mother of the Word,
Mother Thrice Admirable,
Mother Undefiled,
Mystical Rose,
Nova Eva (the New Eve),
Our Lady of Compassion,
Our Lady of Confidence,
Our Lady of Victory,
Our Lady, Star of the Sea,
Our Mother of Perpetual Help,
Queen Assumed Into Heaven,
Queen Conceived Without Original Sin,
Queen of All Saints,
Queen of Angels,
Queen of Apostles,
Queen of Confessors,
Queen of Families,
Queen of Heaven,
Queen of Martyrs,
Queen of Patriarchs,
Queen of Peace,
Queen of Prophets,
Queen of the Most Holy Rosary,
Queen of Virgins,
Ravisher of Hearts,
Refuge of Sinners,
Seat of Wisdom,
She Who Shows the Way,
Singular Vessel of Devotion,
Spiritual Vessel,
Spouse of the Holy Spirit,
Tabernacle of the Lord,
Temple of the Most Holy Trinity,
Throne of Wisdom,
Tower of David,
Tower of Ivory,
Treasure House of God's Graces,
Untier of Knots,
Vessel of Honor,
Virgin God-bearer,
Virgin Most Faithful,
Virgin Most Merciful,
Virgin Most Powerful,
Virgin Most Prudent,
Virgin Most Renowned,
Virgin Most Venerable          born under the law, ⁵ to HELP redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship; sooner or later; and not spend TOO much time in Purgatory.