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Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 05-23-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 05/24/2016 6:49:46 AM PDT by Salvation

Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

May 23, 2016

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Many of you know that I write the Question and Answer column for Our Sunday Visitor. Given the celebration of Trinity Sunday this past Sunday, I thought I might reproduce here on the blog a question/answer regarding the Trinity. It is a fairly common question; perhaps you have it, too. Remember that my answers in the column are required to be brief.

We read in a recent Sunday Gospel (May 1, 2016) that Jesus says that the Father is greater than He (Jn 14:28). Since we are all taught that each Divine Person of the Blessed Trinity fully possesses the nature of God, equally to be adored and glorified, what did Jesus mean by such a statement?” – Dick Smith, Carrolton, TX.

Theologically, Jesus means that the Father is the eternal source in the Trinity. All three persons of the Trinity are co-eternal, co-equal, and equally divine. But the Father is the Principium Deitatis (the Source in the Deity).

Hence, Jesus proceeds from the Father from all eternity. He is eternally begotten of the Father. In effect, Jesus is saying, “I delight that the Father is the eternal principle or source of my being, even though I have no origin in time.”

Devotionally, Jesus is saying that He always does what pleases His Father. Jesus loves His Father; He’s crazy about Him. He is always talking about Him and pointing to Him. By calling the Father greater, He says (in effect), “I look to my Father for everything. I do what I see Him doing (Jn 5:19) and what I know pleases Him (Jn 5:30). His will and mine are one. What I will to do proceeds from Him. I do what I know accords with His will.”

So although the members of the Trinity are all equal in dignity, there are processions in the Trinity, such that the Father is the source, the Son eternally proceeds from Him (Jn 8:42), and the Holy Spirit eternally proceeds from the Father and the Son as from one principal (Jn 15:26).

St Thomas speaks poetically of the Trinity as follows:

Genitori, Genitoque … Procedenti ab utroque … compar sit laudautio

(To the One Who Begets, and to the Begotton One, and to the One who proceeds from them both, be equal praise.)

The Athanasian Creed says the following regarding these processions:

The Father is made by none, neither created nor begotten.

The Son is of the Father alone, neither made nor created, but begotten.

The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, not made, nor created, nor begotten, but he proceeds from them.

So although equal, processions do have an order. The Father is “greater” (as source), but is equal in dignity to Son and Holy Spirit.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; History; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian
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To: goodwithagun
...since you slap our faces using passive aggressive tactics you slide under the zot radar.

Gotta love a person who is just plain aggressive!

721 posted on 06/06/2016 4:29:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

Haven’t thin skinned people been WARNED by the RM over and over and over again?


722 posted on 06/06/2016 4:30:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I think I’ve read that before.


723 posted on 06/06/2016 4:48:30 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; verga
Are you saying verga is in error in his #160 post?

Probably a poorly worded answer..but Verga and even I am subject to error. I called the Pope and ha assured me that I am not infallible.

725 posted on 06/06/2016 5:53:19 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: Mark17
Catholicism was, and still is the only true and complete form of Christianity on Earth.... I disagree bro. I prefer the Navigators. That way I don't have to try and bluff my way into Heaven. 👍

yeah, Catholicism had it wrong for 1,930 or so years until the Navigators sprang up to save Christianity......O.K.....

726 posted on 06/06/2016 5:56:25 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl

You may choose to practice some other “denomination” but your Catholic basis is still there...thankfully!!!


When are you going to start reading your Bible? BEING CATHOLIC AND $2 WILL GET YOU A CUP OF COFFEE.

Luk_3:8 Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God. Don’t just say to each other, ‘We’re safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.’ That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones.


728 posted on 06/06/2016 6:10:45 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: metmom
The Catholic church, as an institution is protected from error....individual Catholics, you for example, are OBVIOUSLY not protected from error... Human being within the church make the decisions. Without people, there is no church. Explain to me how an institution can exist without the people in it. Is there a computer some where? Some kind of entity called Catholicism, which is sentient and makes those decisions without human involvement?

Nope, the Catholic church is a 2,016 year old institution instituted by Christ to profess His message. There is no secret that the church is run by people who are just that...people....however, the Pope, the leader of Christianity, is the only one given the gift, from Christ, of infallibility. The church, as an institution, has made many mistakes, but NEVER in matters of faith and morals.

Why do you question that???

729 posted on 06/06/2016 6:11:41 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: goodwithagun
I thought we were done with these threads. Sad.

how would you ever learn anything except through these threads???

730 posted on 06/06/2016 6:15:41 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl; Mark17

My induction into Catholicism was not a matter of genetics as either my or Mark’s gender is.

We were born what we are.

Catholicism was inflicted on us without out consent at an age when we could not give it.

No, I am no longer Catholic. That part of me died and was buried with Christ when I was born again. I am a NEW creature in Christ, the old has gone, the new has come.

All the old stuff is done away with by the blood of Jesus.

And THAT is something to be thankful for.


732 posted on 06/06/2016 6:58:27 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: goodwithagun; metmom
How cute! I post that I’m aware of the thread creation and you all come back with an irrelevant post regarding that. It’s almost like . . . you come to each other’s rescue when summonsed without reading about what your buddy wants help. Pathetic and humorous at the same time. I’ll say a Hail Mary for each of you. Unlike goofy metmom, that’s not passive aggressive technique. I’ll literally say one for each of you.

It's really not that big of a deal if you're reading the thread....but I see you decided to join after 697 posts. That's fine. Welcome to the discussion.

With the name calling already?? Goofy metmom??

Your prayers to "mary" will be in vain as she does not hear nor does she answer your prayers.

You would be better served praying as Jesus taught the disciples.

733 posted on 06/06/2016 7:12:19 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: goodwithagun; ealgeone; boatbums; Elsie
Unlike goofy metmom,.....

What are you? Twelve?

734 posted on 06/06/2016 7:22:25 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

maybe a disney fan!


735 posted on 06/06/2016 7:26:21 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: terycarl

Gee...just like the Muslims!

You don’t think people should have free will to decide such a thing???


736 posted on 06/06/2016 7:33:50 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: goodwithagun
Oh, bless your heart! You think everybody else on Earth spends all their free time on FR! ( This is a passive aggressive example).

Good grief....some catholics are thinner skinned than Obama. I didn't think that was possible.

739 posted on 06/06/2016 7:50:33 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: goodwithagun
"( This is a passive aggressive example)."

You use that phrase, but I don't think it means what you think it means ... since you miss applied it so boldly.

740 posted on 06/06/2016 8:08:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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