Posted on 05/03/2016 5:22:00 PM PDT by Morgana
bumpus ad summum
Talisker you make excellent points. What you see and what you (and your family) are experiencing are both very real. Most will currently blame it on Francis but there has been a rift in the Catholic Church since Vatican II. It has just reached its boiling point via Francis because he is the most emboldened Modernist pope since that time. Catholics are trying to make sense of the crisis in the Church and what you are seeing and experiencing is the direct result of that.
You are most welcome.
Do you believe the Nicene Creed when you say it publicly ?
Thank you for the validation and acknowledgement, I’ve found both to be extremely rare. And yes, I also believe it’s Vatican II fallout. Ironically, Vatican II only exacerbated what it claimed to heal - the Church cannot be all things to all people. It must declare itself and stand firm, something it - was - famous for. Pope Benedict famously said he’d rather have a smaller, more defined and focused church than a larger, more diffuse and confusing church, and I agree. There’s bones and there’s flesh, and it’s a catastrophe when each tries to be the other.
I don't think you understand the issue - it's not the terms and declarations, it's the definitions of those terms and declarations, and even deeper, whether any Catholic has the right to define those things for themselves in any way. But thanks for caring enough to take a stab at it, so few even do that.
I think the issue is faith in the Messiah. Everything flows from believing what he said.
So do I, and it's what I've lived my whole life. But there are those who hold Catholicism as their private fiefdom, and have no problem viciously attacking anyone who interprets Catholic teachings differently from their beliefs. I've been attacked, for example, by a maniac for three days now on another thread who has decided that my understanding of Catholicism is deficient. He's written over a hundred pages of seething invective against me and will not stop - nor will the Religion Mod stop him. And why? Because they obviously agree with each other. So while what you say is true, it's simplicity does not address the dehumanization and hatred people allow themselves to indulge in over religion - even one literally based on the command "love one another."
It's been nearly 40 years, but I spent some time in Basel back then. I attended Mass at the Heiligeistkirche. I hope it's still open.
We are commanded to forgive others. Try to do that and start a new day fresh.
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