Is Jesus Christ God? Whether you think you’re being forced to jump through hoops or not, the question has been asked. Will you deny Him before man? I’m not trying to get you to use “Catholic Approved Terminology”, I’m trying to figure out what you believe about God.
If someone asked me the question I would answer willingly: YES! See it’s not about Mary, it’s about what you believe about Jesus Christ. Is Mary the mother of Jesus Christ Our Lord and God? Or is she the mother of the man Jesus? That’s where the nestorians got into trouble, they divided Christ into two persons in one body.
And ... what did you use to discern the heresy in that duplicitous belief?
I understand the relationship of the Trinity and have no problem with that.
However, roman catholicism has so elevated Mary to something not even hinted at in the Bible the title assigned to her in catholicism, Mary, mother of God, takes on a different notion.
It makes out as if God needs a mother and was created.
When we see the titles of Mary assigned by catholicism, such as Mediatrix, Co-Redemtrix, Advocate, all of which are assigned to Christ or the Holy Spirit in the Word btw, along with
Queen of the apostles, Queen of Heaven, Queen of Prophets, Queen of all Saints, Refuge of Sinners, Mother of the Church, Queen of Families, Queen of Martyrs, Queen of Patriarchs,
combined with the statues/idols of Mary,
, combined with all of the prayers to Mary petitioning her to answer prayers faster than Christ or in some cases prayers He won't answer
combined with the artwork where Mary usually is depicted as a grown woman and Christ is depicted as a child, though with a man or young boy's face, being held by Mary,
combined with the marian dogmas put forth by the roman catholic church and now the push for a fifth marian dogma
it gives one the impression that Mary is indeed running Heaven and that she, for some, is the goddess and has replaced God.
You can rail all you want about what you claim it means to say that and what someone who isn't playing your games means when they refuse to answer to you, but NOTHING can change the fact of what is written.
John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
The phrase *mother of God* is not found anywhere in Scripture.
The phrase "the mother of Jesus Christ Our Lord and God" is not found anywhere in Scripture.
Why do you keep adding to or changing GOD'S word? Is it not good enough for you? Do you think that you can improve on it?
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Or is she the mother of the man Jesus?
So Jesus is a man in your book?
Then you are denying the divinity of Jesus by claiming that the title that the Holy Spirit gave Mary ways that Jesus was only a man.
Will you deny Him before man?
I am not denying Christ. He is my Lord and Savior. I have accepted Him as such and am trusting Him fully for my salvation.
YES! See it’s not about Mary, it’s about what you believe about Jesus Christ. Is Mary the mother of Jesus Christ Our Lord and God?
But the Catholic church makes it about Mary.
By removing the name of Jesus from HER identifier, it removes Jesus from the equation. There's no way that calling her *mother of God* would tell ANYONE unfamiliar with Christianity about the nature and character of Jesus because that title is about HER NOT Jesus.
There were several Mary's listed in Scripture and the Holy Spirit saw fit to identify her as *mother of Jesus*. To identify HER, not Jesus.
If you want to know about Jesus, you go to the Word.
If the Catholic church considers going to the Word and relying on it as heresy, then it condemns itself as heretical as well because it claims not only that it depends on the word, but that it WROTE the word. That it is the source of the word.
If depending on it solely or heavily is heresy, the taking credit for it's existence is also heresy.
And if you reject Scripture and dependence on it as heretical, then what's left? The early church fathers? The sinking sand of the opinions of men?
And yet, since they claim to be dependent on the Word as well, then you've just damned them as heretical.
So then what is Catholicism based on?
Consensus? Feelings? Word of mouth aka "sacred tradition"
If the unchanging written word is not good enough, then how is 2,000 years of playing telephone?
The Nestorians may have divided Jesus The Christ wrong, but I say you divide the Scriptures wrong.
Getting ready to carve up Gaul for his history narrative, Julius Caesar began with,"Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est." That is, all of Gaul was divided into three contiguous parts.
Similarly, from the view if the Cross experience, one might say, "Omnus Christus in quattuor partes divisa est."
At the Cross, the God-man Jesus was divided into four parts, each of which wound up in a different sphere:
(a) His spirit was yielded up into the Hands of The Father (Luke 23:46).
(b) His soul went to Paradise at that time (Luke 23:43)
(c) His lifeless body went into a rock tomb (Luke 23:52,53).
(d) His incorruptible blood (1 Peter 1:18-19) containing life (Leviticus 17:11), together with built-up thoracic/pericardial edema fluids, poured out of His wounded body onto the ground (John 19:33-34).
Now, I ask you three questions:
(1) How much of the integrated person, body, soul, and spirit, was begotten of Mary, and how much was begotten of The Father; that is, of Him, how much was she the mother as a contributor to any part of Him?
(2) What form of Jesus' body do you insist is to be found in the "bread"? (a) His pre-death body; (b) His dead body in the tomb; or (c) His post-resurrection and ascended body He now inhabits.
(3) What do we do about His Blood, if we keep making more and more of it by converting ordinary wine (with a high percentage of alcohol for Catholics and Lutherans), since it is incorruptible, and ought to just keep building up and up and up, even though passing through the human digestive tract?
Take your time, and make sure you've got this all right with the published material in the Catechism, eh?
(And let me say, I don't have a problem about explaining any of it in a reasonable, scripturally-acceptable way. You first.)
Here’s where Catholics get into trouble, they repeat, Hail Mary; Mother of GOD, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over until it is stuck FIRMLY into their minds.