Posted on 11/30/2015 3:52:51 PM PST by ebb tide
On the plane returning from his journey to Africa today Pope Francis made his clearest remarks in condemnation of ‘fundamentalist’ Catholics.
"Fundamentalism is a sickness that is in all religions," Francis said, as reported by the National Catholic Reporter’s Vatican correspondent, Joshua McElwee, and similarly by other journalists on the plane. "We Catholics have some -- and not some, many -- who believe in the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil."
"They do evil," said the pope. "I say this because it is my church."
"We have to combat it," he said. "Religious fundamentalism is not religious, because it lacks God. It is idolatry, like the idolatry of money."
Turning to Islam, the pope spoke of his friendship with a Muslim, adding, “You cannot cancel out a religion because there are some groups, or many groups in a certain point of history, of fundamentalists.â€
"Like everything, there are religious people with values and those without," he said. "But how many wars … have Christians made? The sacking of Rome was not done by Muslims, eh?"
On the same flight a journalist asked about the use of condoms in the fight against AIDS and if it was time for the Church to change its position.
The pope acknowledged that condoms are one method of prevention, saying that the Church was faced with a perplexity of whether to follow the fifth commandment (Thou shalt not kill) “or that sexual relations are open to life.â€
He dismissed this however as ‘not the problem’ and said it reminded him of the question asked Jesus, “Tell me, teacher, is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath? Is it obligatory to heal?’
Catholic News Agency carries the fullest rendition of the pope’s quotes on the matter, relating his words thus:
“Let’s not talk about if one can use this type of patch or that for a small wound, the serious wound is social injustice, environmental injustice,†Pope Francis continued. “I don’t like to go down to reflections on such case studies when people die due to a lack of water, hunger, environment...when all are cured, when there aren’t these illnesses, tragedies, that man makes, whether for social injustice or to earn more money – I think of the trafficking of arms – when these problems are no longer there, I think we can ask the question ‘Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?’â€
“Because, if the trafficking of arms continues, wars are the biggest cause of mortality...I would say not to think about whether it’s lawful or not to heal on the Sabbath, I would say to humanity: ‘make justice,’ and when all are cured, when there is no more injustice, we can talk about the Sabbath.†While in Africa the pope used very strong language to promote the climate change agreement at the Paris climate summit that started today. He said it would be a “catastrophe†if it did not achieve acceptance in Paris in the coming days and added that the decision came down to the choice “either to improve or to destroy the environment.â€
Speaking at the United Nations center in Nairobi on November 26, Pope Francis said, “In a few days an important meeting on climate change will be held in Paris, where the international community as such will once again confront these issues. It would be sad, and I dare say even catastrophic, were particular interests to prevail over the common good and lead to manipulating information in order to protect their own plans and projects.â€
Pope Benedict? I think he tried and that’s one of the many reasons he was forced out.
They (the very liberal Catholics) wanted an interim Pope after the 27 years of Pope JPII. Pope Benedict was only Pope for 8 years. He brought the Church back to its roots. The Media, many Clergy, most politicians, and many American Catholics hated it. He was attacking the liberal infestation of the Church.
He said in his statement that he wasn’t physically or mentally able to deal with the demands of the changes within the Church. He wanted the parishes in American and elsewhere to promote pro life and was fought all the way. He wanted the Church to recognize the evil that is Islam and liberalism and was fought all the way especially by those who should be supporting him. He was not what the liberal faction of the Church wanted and he was forced to retire.He was backtracking all the ills and misconceptions from Vatican II and it wasn’t well received at all.
I’ve seen it in my own Parish, in the school and church. They fought him and embrace Pope Francis.
I’ve seen it in my own Parish, in the school and church. They fought him and embrace Pope Francis.
Yep...in my Novus Ordo parish the romance is gag worthy...
Most of the social dynamism in this, and I suppose most, parishes is driven by females, thus the default impulse toward leftist thought (and the infatuation with leftist Begoglio) is unavoidable...and one cannot count on the men to do much about it, as it appears that the less they have to think about theology, the better...
I agree. Matthew 18:15-17 shows that the Lord taught to expel unrepentant sinners from a congregation.
I used to be a Catholic. Glad I left.
The fact that a pro-Catholic site is publishing this denunciation is amazing.
“I agree. Matthew 18:15-17 shows that the Lord taught to expel unrepentant sinners from a congregation.”
Good one.
Well, Francis is sure going to take care of what’s left...
One of the problems is simply that he’s not very intelligent and is poorly educated. That’s why he can just shrug off 2000 years of Christian theology and civilization with an “eh?”
He is the face of Catholicism.
Bear in mind that "the position of the pope as supreme head of the Church" and "and the duty thence arising of submission to the pope in order to belong to the Church and thus to attain salvation."-- November 18, 1302, Pope Boniface VIII Papal bull Unam sanctam
The disdain expressed lately by Catholics for this pope is at a very high level these days.
There was a time that OTC Christians were accused of bashing Catholics by exposing this pope as a heretic.
So no longer does anyone have to be in submission to the pope and belong to the Catholic Church to attain salvation.
Of course mainstream Christianity (sans Catholicism) has never believed that as it is not scriptural.
Belonging to the actual body of Christ (membership attained by believing in Jesus and being born again) is a necessity for salvation and makes the new believer a member of Christ's body.
No Paul VI’s major accomplishment was promulgating Vatican II...which are the wheels that set all of this in motion.
Here’s the thing. Catholic teaching teaches that manifest heretics lose their office ipso facto. In other words, a manifest heretic pope is no pope at all. As a result, no submission is necessary nor required.
John XXIII called Vatican II. He is reputed to have said, repeatedly, on his deathbed, “Stop the Council! Stop the Council!”
Actually, the Council itself didn’t start the rot. It was already there.
What Paul VI did, which the Council did NOT call for, was destroy the Roman Rite.
And in the first post-conciliar Synod, the bishops were shown the Novus Ordo, and they voted against it overwhelmingly. Paul’s response was to cut them out of the loop.
So the FIRST Synod was “rigged,” just like the last two.
John XXIII may have called it, but Paul VI promulgated it.
And the rest is history.
OK, Vii didn’t start the rot. It just codified it and made it official.
My point is that had there not already been Modernists and Communists distributed throughout the Church, the documents of the Council would not have created chaos. And without the destruction of the Roman Rite, the liturgical atrocities of the last 45 years would not have occurred.
It was the ugliness of the Novus Ordo, more than anything else, that drove Catholics out of the Church.
Calling the Council was a mistake. No Council was needed. The documents of the Council are gaseous and unreadable, but there is almost nothing in them that’s really objectionable.
Really, of all the destructive things that Paul VI did, the Council doesn’t rank up with the very worst of them.
Far worse was his Ostpolitik—refusing to fight Communism.
His episcopal appointments. In the U.S., they are called “Jadot bishops,” (Bernardin, Weakland, Hubbard, Clark, etc., etc.) but Paul filled the episcopacy around the world with homosexuals and Commies.
The Novus Ordo, which not only made the Mass ugly, verbose, and repellent, but resulted in the loss of Chant, Polyphony, and virtually the entire canon of liturgical music.
Because in 1302, Pope Boniface VIII said one must be in "submission to the pope in order to belong to the Church and thus to attain salvation."--
Fortunately for OTC Christians the only submission needed is submission to Jesus.
If all Catholics that are not Catholics anymore ('cause there is no pope) wish to become Christians it's very simple.
Come to Jesus and become a part of the body of Christ.
Flippity Floppity. No wonder nobody can get a lock on what key he’s playing in.
Quite the master of Jesuit cognitive dissonance he is.
Your logic is faulty. After a pope dies and before another one is elected (during the interregnum), do Catholics stop being Catholic?
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