[NRx]

Fr. Alexey is a priest of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad

[Swordmaker]

Shroud of Turin PING!

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[Swordmaker]

Walter C. McCrone was never a member of STURP. . . he was merely a contractor who was allowed to test samples taken from the Shroud by sticky tape after the fact and his work has never been replicated. He failed to follow his contract with STURP in that he did not submit his work for peer-review, did not submit his work through STURP, nor did he pass the samples entrusted to him, which he started to call "his samples." He began changing his stories about what his finding were, claiming at different times what kind of Red Ocher was a kind of rouge that had not been developed until early into the nineteenth century.

Not a single other test found what he claimed as pigments on the Shroud, including electron microscopy done by his own labs. He only published in his own vanity press, of which HE was the publisher and editor and what peer review it received was done "peer-reviewed" by his own employees.

I am very well read on the Shroud and I am not aware that McCrone ever ameliorated his stand on the Shroud's authenticity.

[Swordmaker]

". . .cracked by the scientific sleuth work of Dr. John Holler (sic) and colleague, Prof. Alan Adler"

It was the work of the late Dr. John Heller, not Holler.

[dp0622]

I believe in Jesus regardless of the shroud, but didn’t carbon dating show it was made in the middle ages.

I have saved the article as I got a little tired after 4 paragraphs. But I look forward to finishing it.

Could the carbon dating be fallible? I know nothing about the process.

[SubMareener]

The scriptures clearly state that the handkerchief that had been around his head was separate from the strips of linen cloths. Therefore the Shroud of Turin, being one piece, can not be Jesus' burial cloth.

John 19
38 After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus.
39 And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds.
40 Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury.

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 1054). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

John 20
3 Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb.
4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first.
5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw †the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in.
6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there,
7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself.
8 Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed.
9 For as yet they did not bknow the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead.

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 1054). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

[Unam Sanctam]

The Shroud is the Mandylion, I tell you. Probably won’t ever be provable, but the timing fits.

[oh8eleven]

Makes no difference who the man is on the shroud, or even if the shroud is fake. No one will ever be able to prove the image is Jesus, so all the hoopla is moot.

[calico_thompson]

bump

[M Kehoe]

Bttt.

5.56mm

[Oatka]

IMO, the Shroud is like Greek Fire or Damascus Steel. Ancient marvels that we can't replicate, except we just found out about the latter.

In regards to that last, no one could recreate Damascus Steel until one guy made and error and Voila! we had it. It seems everybody else was using modern metals which were a lot purer than those in the old days. This guy used impure iron, and everything fell into place.

So it is with the Shroud. It's the world's first photograph, 400 years before Daguerreotype. Some guy figured out how to fix an image, which was unknown then. Capturing an image on sensitive fabric was known since Roman times but it soon faded. After the Shroud, the technique was lost until the 1830's.

There's enough anomalies to make one question it's authenticity - a burial shroud would have left a gap or an image of the top of the head instead of the hinged effect. The head appears anatomically smaller than usual, plus it looks like it was added on separately (neck cut).

There's even a claim that the front and back differ in length (for example).

I can't find the specifics that even agree that the length was the same, but if not, then we have a true miracle - Christ was longer in the back than he was on the front.

[To Hell With Poverty]

Bump!

[AllAmericanGirl44]

bkmk

[EternalHope]

Outstanding!

Thanks for posting!