Posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
So a holiday name is equal to a queen of heaven title for one person? Wowzers.
Yeah, anyone who disagrees must be catholic bashing.
Excellent point.
How does your quote you cite prove she had no original sin and commtted zero sins her entire life?
I read it and there’s nothing in there that confirms either claim.
I wouldn’t waste your time, some people are so caught up in their lies, they will refuse to believe the truth.
The thread is about the Mother of God, not about the Immaculate Conception. That can be answered on another thread.
Tell it to the person who brought it up.
I’m agreed it’s a cult, and you give good advice. My only question is how are you so certain about a rapture before next year September?
Hmmmmm! More Protestant bashing!
To those wwondering. This is fine since motherhood does not entail origin or of existence, but it does imply a specific kind of relationship.
No parent creates the soul of their child. The soul comes from God, therefore motherhood does not mean Mary is the author of God.
“I guess many people are still Catholic Bashing.”
Salvation, I don’t see any point in posting this thread outside of a Caucus. Do you? Really? How else was this thread going to turn out?
The article itself—very poorly written IMO—bashes Protestants. I could care less about that if a fierce defense was accepted but here you are talking about Catholics being bashed. What exactly DO you expect from non-Catholics on open threads such as this?
Luke 1
43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
A mother is not by definition "higher" than the offspring.
You mention "Roman Catholics" in your comments repeatedly, as if "Roman Catholics" decided on their own -- in defiance of all other Christian groups -- to come up with the doctrine that Mary gave birth to God.
If you study history and basic Christian theology, you'd realize the reverse is true.
Scripture makes it explicitly clear that Christ is both God AND Man, had always existed that way, and thus Christ was fully God when Mary gave birth to him.
So-called Christians who REJECTED the idea that Mary gave birth to God, and argued that Mary only birth to "Jesus, the human person", were condemned as heretics by ALL Christians WORLDWIDE, many centuries ago. The idea that the human and divine natures of Christ are extremely separate and that Mary "only" carried the human nature is her womb is a grave heresy in mainstream Christianity.
Catholic theologians, Eastern Orthodox scholars, Oriental Orthodox church fathers, the various Protestant reformers (Luther, Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, John Weasley, etc.) have ALL affirmed over the centuries that Mary carried God incarnate in her womb and gave birth to God incarnate. Even the modern day successor to the Nestorian Church, which started this heresy in the first place, has now accepted that Mary gave birth to God incarnate.
If you deny this basic Christian dogma, you are placing yourself outside of centuries of mainstream orthodox Christian teaching and outside of the dogma of the vast majority of self-proclaimed Christian churches today. Nestorianism is a fringe belief that died off in the 1400s. Only self-proclaimed "Christians" like Jehovah's Witnesses and Unitarians will deny that Jesus was fully God long before Mary gave birth to Him. I don't think you want to end up in their company.
Now we do not have three gods but One God and in Jesus we have a part of the Godhead who is both fully God and fully man.
Just as your mother did not create you, but God created you and your mother bore you, in a similar way God was not created by Mary, but she bore her creator. He created her and she was used as His bearer
Your mother is not "elevated" higher than you, neither was Mary
Mary bore Jesus Christ, God — divine and human intertwined. She did not conceive Him, but she bore Him. the one who bore God in her womb is the mother of God, the bearer of God, not the creator, but a creature who bore her creator
The title "Mother of God" doesn't state that "she created God". It merely affirms that she bore God. Otherwise, every stepmom and surrogate mother on this planet could claim they "created" their child.
Angelina Jolie is the mother of Maddox Chivan. However, she certainly didn't create Maddox Chivan. In fact, it would be impossible, since he's Cambodian and she's not
You know better than the Angel Gabriel?
At the wedding feast at Cana, Mary tells Jesus, “They have no wine.” He tells her it is not time yet for him to reveal his divinity by performing a miracle. Mary knows that he is going to do it, anyway, because she has asked him, so she tells the stewards, “Do whatever he tells you.” And Jesus responds to her request.
The gospel does not tell us about this incident just to make chit-chat. The gospels were written to tell about the realities of the spiritual economy.
We who are in need (the couple who are out of wine) go to Mary to make our needs known to her. Mary intercedes with her Son, and he responds to her requests.
Mary’s function as an intercessor for us with Jesus is taught to us in the gospel account of the wedding feast at Cana.
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