Posted on 07/06/2015 7:37:24 AM PDT by NYer
This whole perversion of the Word of God began when Luther said each person should interpret the Bible for themselves. This has led to so called’ christians’ condoning and accepting homosexual sex and ‘marriage’. Luther is ‘turning in his grave’. He said that ‘having sex without having children was the sin of sodomy too.’
This slippery slide where christians accepting this perversion began with the condoning of divorce. It was well brought out when CNN asked Donald Trump what he believed about homosexual ‘marriage’. Trump responded by saying he is in favor of ‘traditional marriage’. They then called him on having married 3 times.
So here it is. King Henry the VIII made his own church, ‘The Church of England’ so that he could get around what Jesus said; ‘What God has united, let no man divide” and kill two of his wives and remarry four more times. He modified his christianity to suite his sexual desires. He then went on to steal Catholic property, killed thousands and caused years of persecution and starvation of Catholics in England and Ireland.
Then Margaret Sanger paid Episcopalian preachers to condone Eugenics and the use of birth control.
Then came the condoning of murdering the babies in the womb. Many ‘christian’ churches have gone along with this evil and have called it good.
Now we have the same with homosexual sin. More and more of the christian churches are supporting the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality and justifying it with perverted theology.
On July 1st 2015, in Salt Lake City, the Episcopal Church “voted overwhelmingly to approve two resolutions that effectively codify theological support for same-sex marriage. The first (A054) formally approves gender-neutral and same-sex marriage ceremonies, while the second (A036) changes the current marriage “canons” to allow clergy to officiate same-sex marriages using either a marriage rite from the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer or a “trial” liturgy.
..the resolution actually includes what amounts to a “conscience clause” for bishops and priests who disapprove of same-sex marriage to opt-out of performing unions, although they are required to accommodate couples in some way in every diocese.
“This is a definitive step for the Episcopal church,” Baker said. “To have this vote pass so soon after the Supreme Court decision…It was just breathtaking.”
“God has clearly been at work in the culture and in the church, changing the hearts and minds of Episcopalians,” he added. ThinkProgress.com
This week the Presbyterian Church of American also voted to ‘embrace an inclusive definition of marriage‘.
‘The measure sought to replace a phrase in the church’s constitution that defined marriage as “a civil contract between a woman and a man” with a sentence reading “marriage involves a unique commitment between two people, traditionally a man and a woman, to love and support each other for the rest of their lives.”
A Presbyterian McNeil said; “We rejoice that all couples can now see those relationships solemnized before God and the Christian community in marriage, at the discretion of ministers and sessions, there is still more work to be done to ensure that the church guarantees LGBT people equal rights — and theological standing — across the board.’
Carmen Fowler LeBorge, also a Presbyterian, disagreed with the change. She said that “Any prophetic voice that the denomination may have once had to speak truth and call people to repentance is now lost. All she can do now is echo the voices of the world for she has abandoned the clarion call to bear faithful witness to the God who has clearly spoken on this matter.”
For the Presbyterian ministers there is also a conscience clause. They do not have to ‘officiate same-sex unions, and pastors can individually decline to perform a marriage — just as they can with any straight couple.’ ThinkProgress.com
A large Evangelical Christian Church in San Francisco, (City Church), just sent out a letter where they will not longer require celibacy for homosexual members. “Imagine feeling this from your family or religious community, ‘If you stay, you must accept celibacy with no hope that you too might one day enjoy the fullness of intellectual, spiritual, emotional, psychological and physical companionship. If you pursue a lifelong partnership, you are rejected.’ This is simply not working and people are being hurt. We must listen and respond.” religiousnewsservice.com
A New York Mega Church pastor Lentz, when asked in an interview with CNN if he every talks about homosexuality. “Yes, it’s a misquote because I do discuss it, just not the way people want me to, When it comes to homosexuality, I refuse to let another human being or a media moment dictate how we approach it. Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent. And I’m still waiting for someone to show me the quote were Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people. You won’t find it because he never did.”
I guess this minister never read Matthew 15:19, ‘For from the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies.’ Fornication means any sexual activity outside of marriage, (masterbation, premarital sex, homosexual sex).
‘The couple shared that gay men and women were welcomed at Hillsong NYC, with Lentz stating, “We have a lot of gay men and women in our church and I pray we always do.”
Mrs. Lentz added, “It’s not our place to tell anyone how they should live, it’s – that’s their journey.” christianpost.news
We are so blessed to be traditional Catholics and to believe in the complete Holy Bible. We have read where God calls homosexual sex an abomination and who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
And I'd suspect you are WRONG!
Folks ONLY get to 'serve' if they get vetted and APPROVED by the folks the US citizens ELECT!
Perhaps one should go read the LCMS response to homosexual marriage and SCOTUS. The president of our synod calls Missouri Synod Lutherans and all believers to prepare to be in defiance of the government...
There was a strong statement by the synod that this piece neglects to acknowledge. Knowing that about my synod, the rest of the data presented is suspect as well.
Are you reading MY mind?
You’ve got to be taught; before it’s too late...
Some get that way AFTERWARD??
Which is 100% of the human race: past, present or FUTURE!!!
So...
...why did it take 142 posts to appear?
Q55: Some people think of themselves as heterosexual in orientation, while others think of themselves as homosexual in orientation and still others feel their sexual orientation lies somewhere in between. How about you?
1. Heterosexual orientation
2. Somewhere in between, but more on the heterosexual side
3. Completely in the middle
4. Somewhere in between, but more on the homosexual side
5. Homosexual orientation
6. Refused
Among all priests, 67% chose #1, Heterosexual orientation, with 73% for those in priesthood 31 to 40 years.
Of those in priesthood 20 years or less 8% chose #4 and 15% chose #5 (page 25).
Other notable findings:
Q41: 63% of all priests said the Catholic laity they come in contact with are going their own way when it comes to moral issues, such as sexuality, marriage and reproduction.
Q43A: 32% of all priests said it is often (versus 53% Always) a sin for unmarried people to have sexual relations.
Q43G: 25% of all priests said it is often (versus 49% Always, and 15% seldom) a sin to engage in homosexual behavior.
Q44A: 57% of all priests favored the ordination of women as deacons.
Q51: 30% of all priests said they were liberal in religious beliefs and moral doctrines, with the highest percentage being 37% choosing middle of the road.
Q52: 34% of all priests said they were politically liberal versus 28% who identified as conservative. 5% said they were very liberal , and 3% said they were very conservative.
Q54: 31% of those in priesthood 20 years or less affirmed that there was a homosexual subculture in the seminary or seminaries they attended. A like number (32%) said they did not think that was the case.
Q56: The majority (47%) of all priests said that “Celibacy takes time to achieve and I consider it an ongoing journey.”
Q60: 42% of all priests believed that most (versus 19% Many) of recent allegations of sexual misconduct by priests are true.
Source: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/reports/LAT-Priest-Survey.pdf
Of course, that was 2002. May all the abused (and even the guilty if possible) have find salvific repentant faith in Christ to save.
I think we’re watching them finally reap what they sowed for so long.
What’s arrogant to the max is that they presume to be the ones who define what a valid marriage is and that if it’s not a Catholic marriage, it can be considered to never have been valid in the first place.
Like marriage is their idea and their sole domain, that they get to define it and control it.
The waste of energy and electrons relates to having a cause and effect discussion that centers on religious divisions that are centuries old rather than moral certainties that are millennia old. Read the post I was responding to and the first paragraph of the article to get the context. FR is a fine place to have the larger discussion but it breaks down quickly when it becomes a blame game.
They will have their very own Sodom and Gomorrah in the priesthood if they keep this up. Now back to global warming.
.....”In no place are consummated marriages “annulled,” meaning they did not exist. Even concubines were wives.”......
So annulment is yet “another” tip-toeing around using the word divorce... and so then giving them room to establish their own rules on what is or not grounds for it such as “defective consent”. LOLOL....and so it does go!
....” they get to define it and control it”....
Of course Metmom...that is how they do things. Changing vocabulary, twisting meanings,... and then always establishing long and lengthy explanations to wade through. So they can be pretty much guaranteed most catholics won’t read let alone investigate further. They simply want out of their marriage anyway that it can be acceptable to the church.
.....”.. the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man”....Gen.2
...” from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ...Mark 10
“Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them ‘male and female’....Matt. 19
“..each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.”..1Corn.7
“.. let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”....Heb:13
Amen. But just wait; someone will come along, no doubt, and claim that Adam and Eve were Catholics.
:^P
Hoss
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