Six arrested at Houston's Lakewood Church after heckling senior pastor Joel Osteen

Christian Exam ^ | Jun 29, 2015 | Kimberly Pennington

[Elsie]

Thanks!

[Elsie]

If you look them up, you’ll see that they sound like a cult.

Wow!

There is a LOT of info out there!

Do you have any specific quotes we can see, to show the cultishness of these guys?

[Elsie]

I, for one, want to SEE these ‘marks’!

[Elsie]

Cow?

What you say???

[AppyPappy]

They arrested people for speaking in church?

[Elsie]

Now if it were Wells, NV then it would be even MORE

Whorehouses!

Casinos!!

Gambling!!!

Earthquakes!!!!

[Elsie]

You can’t believe in the real gospel and be Protestant. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

You can’t fail to Pray the Rosary® and be Catholic. Those two things are mutually exclusive.

[Elsie]

Catholics don’t have a man-made gospel.

True; it's Woman made...

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[Elsie]

Yes

[Elsie]

I already know the truth.

But...

...can you handle it?

[Gamecock]

**They arrested people for speaking in church?**

Maybe they were filled with the spirit and speaking in tongues. And as seen Scripture everyone understood the 6.

[vladimir998]

There you go multi-posting again because you seemingly can’t make a simple, cogent argument. Well, Elsie, enjoy posting.

[rusty schucklefurd]

Re: “Where did I say that? Please stop paying words on my keyboard.”

I don’t understand, then, what you meant by your comment, “actually, it is,” in reply to my statement that it was not up to us to decide how another church should worship or direct their services.

I meant no disrespect, I honestly thought that is what you meant.

[rusty schucklefurd]

Please re-read post 10 and 29. The clearing of the Temple has already been dealt with.

In short, the clearing of the Temple by Jesus has nothing to do with people from another church entering someone else’s church’s worship service for the sole purpose of disrupting/confronting the speaker - unless you don’t believe in freedom of religion. Would you personally go to someone else’s church, which was minding its own business, and deliberately disrupt it because you disagreed with their doctrine?

Jesus had every authority to be in the Temple:

1. Humanly speaking He was a Jewish male.
2. He was God in human form. He has authority over His Temple.
3. The money changers were not supposed to be conducting business on the Temple grounds.
4. The money changers were cheating/stealing the people.

The people from this outside church were not members of the church they disrupted. They had no leadership authority within the church they disrupted. Even if they had a legitimate concern, it was the wrong place and time to do what they did.

[Gamecock]

I decide how others should worship, and then attend where proper worship is occurring.

Others do the same.

That doesn’t imply any coercion of others on my part.

[af_vet_1981]

On July 2 this year, Catherine, 26, left her apartment in Arkansas in the middle of the night and took a bus to Lufkin, about 20 miles from Wells. Andy and Patty Grove received a call from Catherine’s roommate letting them know that their daughter, and all her belongings, had gone missing. Catherine left no clue as to her destination.

Catherine had been at somewhat of an impasse, having left behind nursing school and a job at LifeWay Christian store in Little Rock and briefly moved back home with her parents, both full-time missionaries. It wasn’t until July 7, at 11:30 p.m., that the Groves received a call from Catherine saying she was in Wells. According to Patty, Catherine said, “Don’t worry, I’m here with a group that’s taking good care of me.” Patty thought to herself, “Maybe this is a good place for her.” But that assessment would change dramatically after she and Andy arrived in Wells, where they encountered a wall of opposition to their attempts to contact Catherine. Church members said they feared the Groves would “kidnap” Catherine.

The church maintained that Catherine was “seeking the Lord” and did not want to see family or friends; her cell phone, now unreachable, had been deemed a source of “evil communication” by the church. The Groves were baffled as to why they had to ask anyone’s permission to see their daughter. They were issued a criminal trespass warning against visiting the R&R Mercantile. Patty and Andy hunkered down in a brown and cream-colored RV owned by a Wells resident, parked in the lot of another local church. Each day the couple is in Wells they learn a little more about the church their daughter joined.

The Church of Wells is mostly—though not exclusively—young and white. There are 56 adult members, dozens of whom are pictured on the church website looking like chipper undergrads—a parent’s dream image of wholesomeness. The church’s three “elders”—Sean Morris, Jake Gardner and Ryan Ringnald—all white men in their 20s, are dressed in button-down shirts, grinning widely for the camera. (A news commenter on HLN’s Dr. Drew On Call show labeled them “the church of the hot boys.”) The trio formed the Church of Wells, originally called the Church of Arlington, in 2010 while street preaching across the United States.

Videos of the charismatic trio’s preachings are full of confrontations: with drunken revelers on Halloween, Catholics after Mass, and Staten Island Ferry passengers at 2 a.m. In a video of the latter, Ringnald preaches to a tired and captive audience. “Excuse me, sir, nobody wants to hear your voice,” one passenger responds. Another pushes Ringnald, who continues to preach, unfazed by his audience’s alternating indifference and anger.

These young church elders appear to thrive on conflict; their self-described first-century lifestyles wouldn’t be complete without “Pharisees” persecuting them. They’ve branded Wells pastors like David Goodwin, of Falvey Memorial Methodist Church, “false prophets.” Competing churches are dismissed as “seeker-friendly” and easy on sinners, when sinners should be chastised.

“If they had come in here and had crazy beliefs, I’d [accept them], but they attacked, telling people they’re not saved,” says Goodwin, who joined eight other local pastors in signing a media statement questioning the new church’s aims in Wells. “It took everything I’ve ever learned and every experience I’ve ever learned from my father, a Hells Angel, to keep my cool.”

[rusty schucklefurd]

Re: “I decide how others should worship, and then attend where proper worship is occurring.”

Ok, I get what you are saying now, but, I wasn’t saying that “you” (meaning all of us) don’t have a right to decide what is proper/Biblical worship of God, I was speaking of how other churches exercise worship is their business, not ours, even if we disagree with how they or what they call “worship.”

But, of course we don’t have to participate in what another church calls “worship.”

[Elsie]

There you go multi-posting again because you seemingly can’t make a simple, cogent argument.

Is it MY fault that you cannot answer the complex ones?

[AppyPappy]

Any time that a church needs to have elder present in order for a congregant to speak to someone, there is trouble.

[vladimir998]

“Is it MY fault that you cannot answer the complex ones?”

Go on Elsie and post your pictures and cartoon like you always do when you lose a debate or don’t get your way. You know you want to, right?