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In Vain Do They Worship Me
White Horse Inn ^ | April 13, 2014 | Timothy F. Kauffman

Posted on 06/23/2015 10:06:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7

Eucharistic adorationThe purest form of religion on earth, says Rome, is to bow before a piece of bread and worship it.

“The Eucharist is ‘the source and summit of the Christian life,’ ” and “is the heart and the summit of the Church’s life,” says the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1324, 1407). And “the prayer of thanksgiving and consecration,” is “the heart and summit of the celebration” (1352). It is at the utterance of the consecration, the priest’s words, “This is My body,” and “This is the cup of My blood,” that the bread and wine are said to be “transubstantiated” into the actual body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ:

By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity. (1413)

Because the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ is said to be present under the species of bread, the Roman Catholic Church has determined that it is unnecessary to administer the Lord’s Supper to the sheep under both species—bread and wine—so members of the flock typically receive the supper under the species of bread alone: “Since Christ is sacramentally present under each of the species, communion under the species of bread alone makes it possible to receive all the fruit of Eucharistic grace” (1390).

It is in this manner that Roman Catholicism “honoureth Me with their lips” (Matthew 15:8) by “this do[ing] in remembrance of me” (1 Corinthians 11:24), while at the same time “making the word of God of none effect” (Mark 7:13) by nullifying His Words which also say, “this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me” (1 Corinthians 11:25).

Then, after having the cup withheld from them, the sheep are told to worship the bread before eating it. We understand that it offends Roman Catholics deeply that we portray them as worshiping bread, but “bread” is exactly what Jesus (John 13:18), Paul (1 Corinthians 11:26-28) and Cleopas (Luke 24:18, 35) called it even after it was consecrated. And it is this—what Jesus, Paul and Cleopas all called bread—that Roman Catholics are instructed to adore.

Roman Catholics are taught to show reverence for the bread by not calling it bread, and by bowing to it prior to eating it. Bishop William K. Weigand of Sacramento, California, for example, issued a statement some time ago calling for more reverence toward Jesus in the Eucharist, requesting that Roman Catholics “…show reverence … by making a slight bow when receiving Communion, [and] by referring to the consecrated Species as the Body of Christ or the Blood of Christ—and not ‘the bread and wine’ ” (The Wanderer, Volume 127, number 32, August 11, 1994, “Sacramento Bishop Offers Some Liturgical Reminders,” page 1).

We will continue to call it bread, for that is what it is, and we certainly see no need to bow to it, genuflect to it, or give to it the worship of latria, which is due to God alone. But that is precisely what Rome prescribes to the flock:

Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. “The Catholic Church has always offered and still offers to the sacrament of the Eucharist the cult of adoration, not only during Mass, but also outside of it, reserving the consecrated hosts with the utmost care, exposing them to the solemn veneration of the faithful, and carrying them in procession.” (1378)

The citation in paragraph 1378 is from Pope Paul VI’s Mysterium Fidei, in which he also taught,

…the Catholic Church … has at all times paid this great Sacrament the worship known as “latria,” which may be given to God alone. As St. Augustine says: “It was in His flesh that Christ walked among us and it is His flesh that He has given us to eat for our salvation; but no one eats of this flesh without having first adored it . . . and not only do we not sin in thus adoring it, but we would be sinning if we did not do so.” (Mysterium Fidei, 55)

The latria that Rome offers to the host is the same that God reserves for Himself. The Roman Catholic Church calls this “Eucharistic Adoration.” Thus Roman Catholics are taught that “Adoration is the highest form of worship given to God,” and “the Mass is the highest form of adoration that exists.”

Just to be clear, it is the host that is the object of the latria. It is called “host” because it is derived from the latin “hostia” for “victim,” referring to the person or thing being sacrificed. Christ is alleged to be the hostia in the Sacrifice of the Mass, and it is the host that is being worshiped in the photograph, above. Just watch EWTN some evening when Mass is being said, and you’ll see the people fall on their faces before the host when the words of consecration, “This is My body,” are said. It is at that moment, we are told, that the bread is transubstantiated into the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ—and being God, it is to be worshiped with latria. So they say.

We do not believe that transubstantiation actually occurs, but because the transubstantiation does not take place does not mean that the host is not still the object of Roman Catholic adoration. It is. The worship paid to the host is no less latria because the transubstantiation did not occur. What is worshiped in the Mass is bread, and nothing more. And since the source and summit of the Christian life is ostensibly the Mass, and the highest form of adoration humans can offer to God is that adoration that Roman Catholics offer in the Mass, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the core of the Roman Catholic religion is bread worship.

But, says the Roman Catholic, Pope Paul VI said that Augustine practiced Eucharistic adoration, and therefore, so should Protestants. Before we Protestants run off to condemn Augustine for idolatry, it would be helpful to cite him in context and give some background on his words, “no one eats of this flesh without having first adored it.” Is Augustine speaking of Eucharistic adoration? Hardly. Augustine denies Transubstantiation in the very commentary in which Paul VI quotes him.

When Augustine wrote “no one eats of this flesh without having first adored it,” he was reading what we call Psalm 99:5, “Exalt the LORD our God and worship at his footstool; he is holy.” But Augustine was reading the Latin Vulgate. In the Vulgate it is Psalm 98:5, and it reads, “exaltate Dominum Deum nostrum et adorate scabillum pedum eius quia sanctus est,” or in Roman Catholic Douay-Rheims English, “Exalt ye the Lord our God, and adore his footstool, for it is holy.”  In the Hebrew it is God who is worshiped, “for He is holy” (Psalms 99:5) and we bow at His footstool to worship Him. In the Vulgate, it is the footstool that is adored, and Roman Catholics are taught to worship the footstool, “for it is holy.”

Augustine struggled here “because his Latin version was at two removes from the original language, being a Latin translation of the Greek translation of the Hebrew” (Augustine, An Exposition of the Psalms, Introduction by Michael Fiedrowicz, pg. 22, From The Works of St. Augustine: A Translation for the 21st Century, Book III, vole 15, Exposition of Psalms 1-32.).

As Augustine wrestled, we can feel the tension introduced by the Latin version: “Adore His footstool? But that would be idolatry.” That’s what Augustine was trying to sort out. Why would he adore something that is not God, even if it is holy? If the earth is God’s footstool (Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:35), should Augustine worship the earth? Augustine tried to think his way out of the box, starting with the Latin mistranslation (“for it is holy) of the Greek translation (“for He is holy”) of the Hebrew (“He is holy”):

I am in doubt; I fear to worship the earth, lest He who made the heaven and the earth condemn me; again, I fear not to worship the footstool of my Lord, because the Psalm bids me, “fall down before His footstool.” I ask, what is His footstool? And the Scripture tells me, “the earth is My footstool.” In hesitation I turn unto Christ, since I am herein seeking Himself: and I discover how the earth may be worshipped without impiety, how His footstool may be worshipped without impiety. For He took upon Him earth from earth; because flesh is from earth, and He received flesh from the flesh of Mary. And because He walked here in very flesh, and gave that very flesh to us to eat for our salvation; and no one eats that flesh, unless he has first worshipped: we have found out in what sense such a footstool of our Lord’s may be worshipped, and not only that we sin not in worshipping it, but that we sin in not worshipping. (Augustine, An Exposition of the Psalms, 99.8)

We note that Augustine was wrestling with what appeared to be conflicting commands, and he determined that the only possible way he could “worship the earth” without committing idolatry was to worship Christ in the flesh. When he says we do not sin by worshiping but we sin by not worshiping, the object of His worship is Christ, not the Eucharist. And it is Christ Incarnate Whom we worship, for the Lamb Who was slain and sits at the right hand of the Father (Hebrews 1:13) still bears the scars He received in the flesh (Revelation 5:6).

It almost hurts to look over Augustine’s shoulder as he thinks through this based on a mistranslation of a Greek translation of the Hebrew. But he manages to sort his way through, and concludes that “worship His footstool” must mean “worship Jesus.” We cannot approve of Augustine’s logic, but his conclusion is valid, nonetheless. But Paul VI’s use of Augustine suggests that Augustine taught that it was a sin not to worship the Eucharist. In what sense does Augustine’s commentary on Psalm 99:5 support Eucharistic Adoration?

The answer is “Not in any way,” for Augustine concludes his comments on Psalm 99:5 by soundly and explicitly rejecting the Roman Catholic interpretation of John 6:53, “Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.” The Roman Catholic interpretation of John 6:53 is that Jesus taught that we are to eat the very flesh that hung on the cross, and drink the very blood that flowed from Jesus’ side. Paul VI taught that the Eucharist is

the true body of Christ—which was born of the Virgin and which hung on the Cross as an offering for the salvation of the world—and the true blood of Christ—which flowed from His side. (Mysterium Fidei, 52)

But Augustine rejects this explicitly, and has Jesus explaining at John 6:63, “Understand spiritually what I have said; you are not to eat this body which you see; nor to drink that blood which they who will crucify Me shall pour forth.” (Augustine, An Exposition of the Psalms, 99.8).

It is remarkable, is it not, that Paul VI used Augustine to support Eucharistic Adoration, in a commentary where Augustine taught the opposite of what Rome and her Apologists teach about Transubstantiation?

We, of course, do not rely on Augustine for our knowledge of the Word. We must remember the context in which Jesus spoke. He had just reminded the crowd following Him that they were unbelievers, pursuing Him only to have their bellies filled with bread (John 6:26-36). Therein Jesus instructed those that would truly follow Him that “he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst” (John 6:35). Coming after Him and believing His words was the one thing those followers would not do.

Rather than pursuing Jesus to see him multiply bread, they ought to come to Him and believe in what He was saying: “Eating” is coming to Him to hear the Word of God, and “drinking” is believing in the Word of God:

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (John 6:45)

Eating as coming to Him, and drinking as believing in Him, are the metaphors Jesus establishes before He ever says “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life” (John 6:54).

Thus, Roman Catholics attempt to follow Him in the Mass, but leave the Mass only with their bellies filled, but still not finding eternal life. Because they do not believe His Words—for they certainly do not believe “this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me” (1 Corinthians 11:25)—bread is all they have, and bread is all they worship. And thus it can be said of Rome, “he that believeth on me shall never thirst. … ye also have seen me, and believe not” (John 6:35-36).


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To: Skooz

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41 posted on 06/23/2015 11:47:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

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42 posted on 06/23/2015 11:49:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Campion
>>Does He do all things?<<

Does he do all things he said he would do?

He does....except He never said He would do what catholics claim regarding the Eucharist.

>>Has He turned into a literal door?<,

The example is not parallel. He never held up a door and said "This door is me".

Actually, if you look at the Greek behind John 10:9 and 6:35,41,48,51 the same structure is used when Jesus said "I am".

Check it out. It makes a difference in understanding the text.

43 posted on 06/23/2015 11:50:26 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It; RnMomof7
Claiming you’re “saved” doesn’t save you, only Jesus Christ saves you, when he judges you, after you have been permitted your earthly life. You don’t “earn” it by but claiming. Look around!

So you don't know until Judgment Day if you're in or out??

44 posted on 06/23/2015 11:52:54 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

What do you suppose was in the minds of those 3000 who listened to Peter’s sermon on Pentecost? The God of the Universe sent His Life into them that day because of their profession of faith in The Christ. There was not blood in a cup or bread broken and passed prior to this entering by The Holy Spirit. So what do YOU suppose prompted this entrance by the Holy Spirit, and how could that entrance be done to a ‘fallen soul’ descended from Adam? Likewise the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius had the Holy Spirit enter them before Peter even finished his sermon! What do YOU suppose was flowing through their minds not even coming out of their mouths yet?


45 posted on 06/23/2015 11:53:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Campion

Jesus used the exact same metaphor in John 6 and at the Passover meal the night before His crucifixion. That’s at least two places, Want to try again?


46 posted on 06/23/2015 11:54:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Campion

They ate the lamb BUT the blood was for the doorposta nd lintel, remember? Apparently not. And how about the atonement?


47 posted on 06/23/2015 11:56:08 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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We will continue to call it bread, for that is what it is appears to be ...

48 posted on 06/23/2015 11:56:23 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: ealgeone

A repeat sinner, I try to spend an hour on my knees weekly adoring this lifeless piece of bread.

It’s a relationship. Conversation with Jesus, like you would have in your church or car, but with Him right front and center. Mano y mano, right at eye level, like He stooped to become a man.

“The Holy Eucharist is Love to the extreme of folly.” You make light of the bread, as the Romans made light of Christ and His human body, slapping it around, spitting on Him, humiliating Him, nailing it and thrusting it up high for public ridicule. Under that veil of human flesh was God’s son. Under the veil of white rounded smooth bread, is God’s Son. Staying here to be among His people that need Him.

“I wait for you.”

If I beat you over the head with the Eucharist, I am not doing Jesus’ wish, and I apologize.


49 posted on 06/23/2015 11:58:04 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Campion

” If you didn’t like lamb, you couldn’t eat a lamb-shaped cookie to make you think of the lamb; if you did, you’d die with rest of the firstborn.” Prove that from scriptures, from the Old Testament scriptures. The instruction was to place THE BLOOD on the doorpost and lintel so the Angel would pass that doorway. In the eating of the Passover lamb then the Israelites’ faith in the Promise to pass over was revealed. FAITH, remember, the core of all of Messiah teaching is FAITH/FAITHING in Him to Give LIFE, to defeat death.


50 posted on 06/23/2015 11:59:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ealgeone
Actually, if you look at the Greek behind John 10:9 and 6:35,41,48,51 the same structure is used when Jesus said "I am".

Sure. But at the last supper, he said "Take this, and eat of it, all of you: this is my body".

He never did that with a door.

51 posted on 06/23/2015 12:04:41 PM PDT by Campion
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To: MHGinTN

Just obfuscations to deny what our Lord actually said. God is the author of the Law, not its subject. If he wishes to change it he can, and he did! Have faith and believe what Jesus said.


52 posted on 06/23/2015 12:05:28 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: MHGinTN
Prove that from scriptures, from the Old Testament scriptures.

Read the Seder narrative in Exodus 12. It tells you exactly what you have to do, and eating the lamb is on the list.

Catholics hear that passage every Holy Thursday.

53 posted on 06/23/2015 12:06:14 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

Are you assuming I deny eating the Passover lamb is included? Do you see how eating that lamb foreshadows faith in the deliverer?


54 posted on 06/23/2015 12:08:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Campion

Are you ignoring the blood of the atonement? Are you familiar with Yom Kippur?


55 posted on 06/23/2015 12:09:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Campion
And if you keep the passage in context we "eat and drink" when we believe in Him.

It's the only way to come to faith and to have faith....belief in Him.

56 posted on 06/23/2015 12:12:46 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I can assure you, the Apostles didn’t understand “eat this” and “drink of it” at the Last Supper to mean a metaphor for faith.


57 posted on 06/23/2015 12:14:19 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
58 posted on 06/23/2015 12:15:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
Do you see how eating that lamb foreshadows faith in the deliverer?

Do you see that it was literal eating that was commanded, and everyone in First Century Judaism would have understood it that way?

Everything in Scripture is not a symbol, and Jesus didn't come to replace one set of symbols with another.

59 posted on 06/23/2015 12:15:36 PM PDT by Campion
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To: MHGinTN

Your point being ?


60 posted on 06/23/2015 12:16:00 PM PDT by Campion
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