Posted on 06/19/2015 12:01:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
...but many of their PRACTICES from MARY!
You can’t prove it!
<And a level of control as well<
Really? I live in south Mississippi. How can the Pope control me? And the other poster who mentioned money. There are plenty of Protestant pastors rolling in money teaching the prosperity gospel.
“The gates of hell will not prevail against it.” It won’t prevail against the church because of Jesus Christ because it His church. Prevail doesn’t mean we won’t be hounded, tortured,or have tribulations. We will prevail however because of Christ.
There is plenty of evil people in the Catholic church just like any other. We will survive this socialist Pope just like we have already survived countless others.
9 people gunned down in a church just trying to worship. Christians all throughout Iraq, Syria and on and on being tortured and murdered in the most brutal ways and you all want to stir up trouble with other Christians. All of this is brought on by the evil one.
The Catholic Church teachings are based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Jesus told the Apostles Go Baptize and teach all nations.
The words of a heretic: They are a rogue religion that has no basis in scripture.
>No offense to any Catholics but the Pope is just another flawed sinner like you or I.<
None taken. Catholics are well aware of this fact. No one is more upset about the evil people lurking in our Church than we are.
Your comment:”Therefore all those that are born again believers in Jesus will be of one mind on spiritual matters.”
You really believe that?
The protest religions seem to continue make their own interpretations of the Bible. i.e. marriage and divorce, abortion, female clergy, same sex marriage, homosexuality, the Real Presence, etc?
>Scripture is fine so long as it doesn’t contradict their leadership’s pronouncements<
Which is exactly the same thing Protestants do. Whoever keeps posting these threads for the pure sake of causing arguments would do well to remember Jesus’s words of pull the plank from your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from another. Clean your own house and the evil that is lurking within it. Then come criticize ours.
The Catholic Church is made up of saints and sinners and welcomes all.
Just as Jesus spent time with the poor and sinners, The Catholic Church wants all to hear the Good News of Jesus and follow His teachings.
The mission of the Catholic Church is to lead all to salvation with God in Heaven.
You say it is a provable lie, but in a mystery religion what the leadership declare can never be a lie. Catholicism is a mystery religion. How else can a pedophile priest turn the wine into blood that was spread upon the Mercy Seat IN HEAVEN, and the wafer into the flesh of a man who is in Heaven? The mystery is never to be questioned for it is a mystery the followers are not gifted enough to understand, so they blindly defend it regardless of what Truth is put before them.
>The Catholic religion avoids Paul’s teaching and gospel at all costs.<
We hear the words of St Paul at almost every Mass throughout the year and the Gospel at every Mass. How could we possibly be ignoring Paul and the Gospel?
>Just because none were listed does NOT mean you can claim that none was there!<
Not in Scripture = didn’t happen. Don’t waver in your beliefs.
Agreed, but none of these threads are going to accomplish that. Its this same group always posting this nonsense. I seen the word cult thrown about a few times. I’m disappointed in myself for being “sucked in” again.
….and furthermore, a study of the early post-New Testament church fathers does not yield to the idea of a papacy. It is not something they discussed, even though they spoke a great deal about church life.
On the other hand, they did seem at pains to emphasize obedience to the local bishops generally.
On the “other other hand,” in that day, in that culture, the idea of “congregational government” would have been something they would not even have thought of. Pretty much everything was autocratic, though isolated examples of oligarchies can be found.
My belief is that there is no “correct” form of church government, which is why it is so ill-defined in scripture. what it looks like depends on the local culture in which the church exists and the leading of the Holy Spirit. The church is always (or should be) very adaptable on the non-essential matters.
“The mission of the Catholic Church is to lead all to salvation with God in Heaven.” And when in spacetime is a sinner saved, born from above, Justified before God? Do you need multiple choice answers in order to respond, or will you avoid even answering?
But read all of Matthew 16. Read it in context. The disciples were confused about Jesus, both his teaching and his identity.
Then Peter correctly states who Jesus is, revealed to him by the Holy Spirit. This confession is what Jesus is talking about, and that Peter was the example of what to believe.
It is Christ who is the Foundation, the Rock, and Peter was identifying himself with that Rock, to which Jesus responded with great approval. It is like people naming their child “Grace” or “Faith.” The person is not faith or grace, but (it is the parents’ hope) that they will embody and be expressions of Grace or Faith, or Hope. In Peter’s pre-ressurrection days, he was anything but a rock, he was
The term ekklesia (church) in that day meant nothing more than “assembly” or “gathering.” There were words for Temples and Priesthoods and structures, but those terms were not used.
Also note that this is one single reference is scripture, nowhere repeated, and it is found in the Gospel that was written by a Jew, addressed to the Jewish community. Establishing the identity of Messiah was especially crucial in this community, that’s why it’s in Matthew.
As to the “keys,” this refers to the church universal, catholic, small “c.” God answers prayer. We have all (hopefully) seen “loosing and binding” that seems to have been tied to our prayers to Our Blessed and Wonderful Lord, though it is His action, not ours.
Yes, Protestants do that as well, and not surprising since they came from Catholicism. First century Christians didn’t have that problem, since they were neither Catholic nor Protestant.
We should each be one those those, not sheep blindly following non-biblical organizations created by men. To them, “ekklesia” which we translate as “church” meant only “a called-out assembly of people.” It was the same word used for the secular assembly in Acts 17:5. In the case of Christians, it meant called out from the world. The idea of “church” being used to describe a building, or to define a broad organization beyond each local, independent congregation, was totally foreign to them and the apostles. One does not have to be a Greek scholar to know this— just read the scriptures and see what’s not there.
What became the Catholic “church” evolved over centuries. It was a man-made organization that began as an adjunct of the Roman empire, and it adopted that government’s structure. The so-called church fathers that modern catholic apologists like point to knew nothing of such an organization or a pope. http://www.bible.ca/ntx-organization-historical-development-papal-patriarchal-systems-33-606AD.htm
Finally, dear lady, the “mote-beam” teaching has to do with leading an egregious sinful life while accusing others of sin. Pointing out biblical truth is never sin— in fact, Christ requires it. You would be wise to run from any group or teacher that does not encourage individual bible study and understanding of such passages, apart from the officials pronouncements of some group.
But again, that’s a choice each of us makes..
Really? Don’t think so.
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) 16Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Mt.16.19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Christ addressed Peter alone. The three words "you" in this passage are all singular. Christ was not speaking of prayers by members of the "universal, catholic, small 'c'" Church. He was speaking specifically to Peter and gave him "keys" for a single purpose. I explained what those "keys" were for in post #169.
The same Peter that Christ tells to get behind him Satan 3 verses later? Or did you priest not tell you that one... Ok.....
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