Posted on 06/12/2015 6:18:39 AM PDT by ADSUM
All pardon for sins ultimately comes from Christ’s finished work on Calvary, but how is this pardon received by individuals? Did Christ leave us any means within the Church to take away sin? The Bible says he gave us two means.
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I believe you are either confusing sanctification with justification, OR you believe justification must be obtained over and over and over, through confession. Which might it be?
1 John 1:7-9 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Just tell God. He'll take care of the rest.
Hell. But if God forgives you, they're forgiven so there's nothing to worry about.
They all died so that even if He did the way Catholics claim, they're not around any more.
So does that mean God has to bend His will to mere men?
If they refuse to forgive someone, that person is screwed?
Hell.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
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1449 The formula of absolution used in the Latin Church expresses the essential elements of this sacrament: the Father of mercies is the source of all forgiveness. He effects the reconciliation of sinners through the Passover of his Son and the gift of his Spirit, through the prayer and ministry of the Church:
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Show us the place where Jesus taught us to go to confession to a Catholic priest. It would be interesting to see HIS prescribed method for doing this.
Apostates of the highest order...
Is the Catholic who confesses his sins to a priest any better off than the non-Catholic who confesses directly to God? Yes. First, he seeks forgiveness the way Christ intended. Second, by confessing to a priest, the Catholic learns a lesson in humility, which is avoided when one confesses only through private prayer. Third, the Catholic receives sacramental graces the non-Catholic doesn’t get; through the sacrament of penance sins are forgiven and graces are obtained. Fourth, the Catholic is assured that his sins are forgiven; he does not have to rely on a subjective "feeling." Lastly, the Catholic can also obtain sound advice on avoiding sin in the future.
This is sick...
So while you Catholics claim that you can go directly to God in prayer, you are taught not to...WOW!!!
That's not forgiveness.
Forgiveness is not demanding the debt owed is paid, it is freeing the person from the debt.
What you are describing is justice, restitution for wrong done, NOT forgiveness.
Everyone sins ALL THE TIME.
There's nobody who only sins occasionally. That shows an incredible depth of deception in the mind about level of sin in one's life.
“You have given no posts were the apostles HEARD confessions and FORGAVE their sin...because there are none.”
Let me remind you of your own words:
1) “What is interesting is there is NO RECORD of the apostles ever hearing confessions..”
Yet I showed you an Apostle saying he forgave someone in 2 Cor 2:10.
2) “And there were no individual confessions in the early church either until 1214 ...”
I pointed out you couldn’t even get the date right for your incorrect conclusion.
3) “So it appears that neither the apostles nor the ECF thought they could “forgive sin””
Except that I showed there were ECFs that did write about private confessions.
“Not in the PLACE OF CHRIST..”
PERSON of Christ, not PLACE. Again, just like with “1214”, you make an error which suggests you don’t even really know what you’re attacking. http://www.ourladyofloreto.org/RCIA/03_DOCTRINES/in_persona_christi.pdf
Anti-Catholicism: lead paint chips for the Protestant mind.
So that allows your religion to invent its own priesthood???
You might want to note that while the Levitical priesthood was eliminated, NO ONE besides a Levite could be a priest..That disqualifies every Catholic priest that ever lived...
That's not what Scripture teaches.
Sin is erased for the asking. If it erased based on penance, then it is not grace but wages due for works performed.
Catholics don’t live in a world of fluffy clouds and rainbows thinking once saved always saved. Read any book about a saint, any approved apparition and you will read that Jesus hurts because of our sins, indifference, and non-belief. He asks for reparation for the sins committed by all. He does not just sit in heaven happy as a lark, he aches, thirsts for souls. He asks us to make reparation for our own sins and the sins of others, to think otherwise is just foolish. Our prayers, sacrifices and love help to bring solace to his breaking heart.
The security of the believer is a spiritual truth that God reveals to us in HIS word.
He does NOT ask us for reparations. We CANNOT pay for our sin because the wages of sin is DEATH and that is a debt that we CANNOT pay.
If righteousness came by the law, Christ died for nothing. Without the shedding of blood, there is NO remission of sin. NOTHING else can pay for sin, no matter how sincere, how profuse, how self-sacrificing. No penance, no reparation, no burning in purgatory, no work of any kind. Only death, the shedding of blood, can pay that debt.
We cannot make reparation for any sin of any other. We all answer for ourselves and ourselves alone.
When someone accepts CHRIST, they become the children of God, born into His family.
Nobody ever said that people don't sin after that. we all sin every day, but the record of our debt, all of it, was canceled in a judicial pardon by God.
We don't become perfect in this life but that doesn't matter. We're still God's child, still adopted into His family, and still saved.
The way we achieve perfection in the eyes of God is to accept Christ. We are then clothed in Him, and God sees the righteousness of Christ on us and sees us as perfect as Christ.
Where did Jesus teach that *formula*?
Chapter and verse please.
So if the priest says the magic words, God has to listen?
I suspect, that for those people involved in works based religions, and there are lots of works based religions out there, I think their "burn time" might last just a tad longer than they anticipated, say an eternity longer than they anticipated.
Sounds like catholic teaching on Mary.
Funny how many people God has to listen to in Catholicism.
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