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Posted on 06/12/2015 6:18:39 AM PDT by ADSUM
All pardon for sins ultimately comes from Christ’s finished work on Calvary, but how is this pardon received by individuals? Did Christ leave us any means within the Church to take away sin? The Bible says he gave us two means.
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Maybe we are just splitting hairs here. He gave them the great commission, and yes, He gave them the authority to carry it out. I was just reacting to the exact words you used, that’s all. Enjoy life. I do.
You are right. God is not done with me yet. He is still molding me into what He wants me to be. It has taken a lifetime, and He still works on me. I will pray for you too.
Honestly, I do not know what you define justification as. There is salvation and justification. Justification, to me, is Jesus’s death on the cross to save us from our sins, opening the gates of heaven for it to be possible for us to enter heaven. Salvation, to me, is my entrance into heaven, which is decided by me by my own actions. My choices in regards to how I respond to my belief in Jesus.
Thank you! I definitely need all the prayers I can get!
I know you are a Christ loving person, and I know you believe what you say. I respect you do not agree with the Catholic church and it’s teachings, but again we are not going to agree.
Here He separates the sheep and goats by what they have done
Matthew 25:31-46:
“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’ And the King will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’ Then he will say to those at his left hand, `Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?’ Then he will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
So lying isn't going to keep someone out of heaven?
It's not listed. Where does that fit in?
You do realize that ANY sin sends someone to hell, don't you? It NEVER specifies between severity of sin. WE are the ones who do that. On the contrary, the Holy Spirit tells us in Scripture.....
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Matter of fact, James says here:
James 2:10-11 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
As for the first passage you mentioned, 1 Corinthians 6, the passage ends with verse 11, which should have been included.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
You left off the most important part. Christians have been FORGIVEN of their sin, even that sin. Otherwise the passage can be misused to support a works based salvation by claiming that one has to keep the law to remain saved.
God's standard is absolute perfection. Jesus told us to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. NO ONE can meet that standard, ever.
He didn't say, that some sin is worse than others, or that some sin isn't as bad as others. He didn't tell us to not do the big ones and not sweat the little ones. Nowhere is there any penalty for sin except for death and nowhere is there any solution for sin except for Jesus.
Anything beyond that is fabricated by man.
ALL sin kills. The solution is the same for all sin. Forgiveness by God by grace through faith in the death and shed blood of Jesus, making one born again as a new creation, transferred into God's kingdom, sealed and kept by the Holy Spirit.
A Catholic fabrication.
If the Christian dies with *mortal* sin on their soul, they will have to answer for it, but it does NOT cost them heaven.
That is a works based salvation.
Don't forget that Jesus taught that the sin of the heart is the same as acting on it. To lust after a woman is to commit adultery with her and to hate a person is to murder them in your heart.
There's not a person alive who does not have mortal sin on their soul because there's not a person alive who does not sin in their thoughts.
It's not merely the actions.
The Pharisees were perfect according to keeping the letter of the law and as lost as all get out.
Putting confidence in the flesh gets one no where.
That applies to ALL believers, not just a certain select, elite, self-appointed group.
It's not grace if we have to perform to receive it.
It's wages due.
God freely pours out grace in our hearts through faith in Jesus.
Ephesians 1:3-10 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
John 1:14-17 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Salvation is a one time experience. It does not come and go moment by moment. Sanctification is an on going, day by day, moment by moment transformation, from a life of sin, to a life of service. Are we ever going to reach a state of sinlessness? Not in this lifetime, but I don't let sin reign in my mortal body, the way I did when I belonged to a different religious persuasion. I still make a whole lot more mistakes than I wish I did, but it is not like it was before my salvation experience.
Having 100% assurance of salvation, is a great and wonderful thing, and not difficult to understand. Everyone should experience it. 😇 They certainly would have a lot more joy in their lives. 😊
Jesus’ death on the cross is the atonement.
Justification is us being declared righteous by God through our faith in that atoning work.
Sanctification is the process of becoming more and more Christlike as we live out our Christian life.
But a person is saved the minute God declares him righteous and indwells him with the Holy Spirit who seals us and guarantees our inheritance in heaven. That puts us IN CHRIST, who becomes our righteousness. The righteous deeds He did and the righteous life He lived is credited to our account, so that’s what God sees when He looks as us IN CHRIST.
That is why He is able to deal with us as if we had never sinned even though we still do. It’s a judicial pardon with the death of Jesus being adequate to forgive, completely and fully with no debt remaining to be paid, ALL our sin,
EVERY.
LAST.
ONE.
whether we remember them or not and remember to confess them or not, if we are even aware that we committed them.
What is forgiven? What is retained?
Oh??
13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan, unto John, to be baptized by him.
14 But John stayed him, saying: I ought to be baptized by thee, and comest thou to me?
Why; in ALL of His ministry; do we find no instance of Jesus ever baptizing anyone?
Your ox is bleeding quite profusely.
Better hie thee to a vet!
The SAME place as when they HAVE BEEN!
Then we ALL await the Last Trump.
The Church Lady approves
After He had declared the necessity of baptism (John, iii), He promised justifying grace for acts of charity or perfect contrition (John, xiv): “He that loveth Me, shall be loved of my Father: and I will love him and will manifest myself to him.” And again: “If any one love me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and will make our abode with him.” Since these texts declare that justifying grace is bestowed on account of acts of perfect charity or contrition, it is evident that these acts supply the place of baptism as to its principal effect, the remission of sins. This doctrine is set forth clearly by the Council of Trent. In the fourteenth session (cap. iv) the council teaches that contrition is sometimes perfected by charity, and reconciles man to God, before the Sacrament of Penance is received. In the fourth chapter of the sixth session, in speaking of the necessity of baptism, it says that men cannot obtain original justice “except by the laver of regeneration or its desire” (voto).
Yeah...
Sure...
Unless they make a perfect act of contrition before they die.
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