Posted on 05/26/2015 1:05:01 PM PDT by piusv
"I feel like saying something that may sound controversial or even heretical. But there is someone who knows that despite our differences we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he that is persecuting Christians today; he who is anointing us with the blood of martyrdom, knows that Christians are disciples of Christ. That we are one, that we are brothers! He doesn't care if they are Evangelicals, Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic. He doesn't care! They are Christians."
Knowing the context and the scripture is usually helpful
This was a prophetic utterance of Jesus
31Then Jesus said to them: All you shall be scandalized in me this night. For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. 32But after I shall be risen again, I will go before you into Galilee. 33And Peter answering, said to him: Although all shall be scandalized in thee, I will never be scandalized. 34Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, that in this night before the cock crow, thou wilt deny me thrice. 35Peter saith to him: Yea, though I should die with thee, I will not deny thee. And in like manner said all the disciples. (Mt. 26:31-35)
Your catechism is not infallible and is subject to change.. as your church wills
However a council is considered infallible...so this can not be changed
Wow!
I’ve got piusv and RnMomof7 on my case at the same time!
That’s gotta be baptism of SOMETHING!
I would listen, if I were you...:)
That’s not what I was referring to.
That’s alright...We know where you heard that and it wasn’t from God...
Francis added that the devil "knows that Christians are disciples of Christ, that they are one, that they are brothers! He doesn't care if they are Evangelicals or Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic … he doesn't care! They are Christians."I happen to believe that, too. Strange that so many on this thread believe this to be heresy.
It is important what God things, not what Satan thinks.
Who is the author of error in the church? Would you say Satan? He is delighted to promote doubt, error, and heresy. I think he is happy to torture anyone, believer and unbeliever alike. So I do not see it necessary to call all who call themselves “christian” as legit just because evil people are out to get them. There are still differences that matter.
Not all who say “Lord, Lord” will be judged to be His disciples. That is what God says about it.
I don’t know why my view is offensive. Is it because to a Catholic the Pope has to always be right? I don’t see it that way.
The ignorance of the faith is palpable, rampant and epidemic. Pope Francis plays with us, because he can. Most Catholics are poorly catechized and quite content to stay that way.
Jesus surely wasn’t serious when he built His Church on Peter. I mean, look how friendly Luther was and Wesley and Calvin. Jesus wasn’t serious about anything being literally and perpetually “petrine”.
And those silly old practices of the Old Testament, sent down by the voice of God, were really cool for the times, but so meaningless. I mean they were demanded and stuff, but they are soooo exacting, demanding and just too much trouble and stuff.
Let’s just smile, hearts a flutter and cumbaya together.
God help us.
God bless Pope Francis.
What the LORD says about this is right there in black and white: “anyone who so much as gives someone a cup of water IN MY NAME will not lose his reward”.
This was an explicit correction of two disciples who went to Jesus expecting praise for sending away men casting out demons in His name “because they don’t follow US”
Jesus DOES NOT CARE who follows RnMomof7 or piusv. He said so Himself.
His criterion was, “do they follow me”? He rebuked his disciples for presuming to define who was and who wasn’t a Christian.
It’s not strange when most who agree with it are post Vatican II Catholics who have been fed (and are still infected with) Modernism for 50 plus years and Protestants.
Traditional Catholics who know the pre-Vatican II Faith which condemned false ecumenism and false unity recognize this clearly as heresy.
Like I said, so many Catholics have been infected with Modernism for so long that they don’t even recognize heresy when they see it.
I actually agree with you. I think many cardinals would agree with this heretical statement of his. Having said that, we don’t know just how many voted for him.
Eh, I’m not “on your case”. I simply pointed out that your reference to Baptism of Blood did not negate Pope Eugene’s words. It also does not correspond to Francis’ so-called “ecumenism of blood”. Baptism of Blood is not the same thing as those who were baptized by water but were outside the Catholic Faith at the time of their death.
I’m not sure what you are getting at, so please explain to me exactly how Pius IX’s warnings don’t apply here.
He’s pretty clear that using John 17 to push the agenda that the Church needs to be united, that it is not united already in the Catholic Church, that the Church is “divided” and that Jesus wants us all to be one (when we are one in the Catholic Church, His Church) is a grave error. Show me how this “John 17 movement”, which Francis praises and prays isn’t just what Pius IX warns us only serves to “destroy the Catholic Faith”.
John 17 is not heretical. It is heretical to use it in such a way to claim that Christ’s Church is not already “one” in the Catholic Church only.
I beg to differ,
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