Posted on 05/16/2015 4:53:17 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
TRUE CHURCH and BIBLE
Catholic Church History Facts
When did the Church established by Jesus Christ get the name Catholic?
Christ left the adoption of a name for His Church to those whom he commissioned to teach all nations. Christ called the spiritual society He established, "My Church" (Mt. xvi, 18), "the Church" (Mt. xviii, 17).
In order to have a distinction between the Church and the Synagogue and to have a distinguishing name from those embracing Judaic and Gnostic errors we find St. Ignatius (50-107 AD) using the Greek word "Katholicos" (universal) to describe the universality of the Church established by Christ. St. Ignatius was appointed Bishop of Antioch by St. Peter, the Bishop of Rome. It is in his writings that we find the word Catholic used for the first time. St. Augustine, when speaking about the Church of Christ, calls it the Catholic Church 240 times in his writings.
St. Ignatius of Antioch, disciple of the Apostle John, concerning the heretics of his day wrote: "They have abstained from the Eucharist and prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of Our Savior Jesus Christ."
St. Justin Martyr, another Church Father of the second century wrote: "This food is known among us as the Eucharist... We do not receive these things as common bread and common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior, being made flesh by the Word of God."
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“How many ECFs thought that James should NOT be in the Bible??”
How does that matter to you?
“Established 33 AD
Founder: Jesus of Nazareth”
You post slogans so well!
May be Protestants need to get their own Bible and not use the canonical texts as established by our early theologians (The Church Fathers) who after more than 200 years after the death of Christ sorted out hundreds of written fragments, cross-checked them against the sacred and received oral tradition, and in the Synod of Rome in AD 382 formally declared these texts as the authentic Word of God.
The Books in the Bible did not fall from the skies and self-assemble themselves. Thus if Petrine authority was the infallible source for this selection and arrangement of books it did not disappear ELEVEN centuries later with the curse of the Reformation in the fifteenth century.
Renowned English essayist Hillaire Belloc in his book, “The Great Heresies,” put it best when he wrote that unlike other heresies, Protestantism “spawned a whole cluster of heresies.”
There are so many shoals of shallow fish to bait, that every Protestant denomination, some 30,000 of them will always have some adherents of one sort or another, to say nothing of the Joel Osteens, Billy Grahams, David Koresh’s, Jim Jones’s, and the Rev. Jeremiah Wrights. They all have one thing in common in amassing fortunes for themselves and their families by preaching what is in essence vapid rot.
Here’s a mind boggling list of serious intellectuals who have studied, explored. and finally concerted to Catholicism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Catholicism
A protestant theologian with an axe to grind is hardly unbiased. Post from a LEGITIMATE secular source like the Encyclopedia Britannica, then get back to us.
The One, Holy, Apostolic Church
Established 33 AD
Founder: Jesus of Nazareth
The catholic church... as in the universal church was founded.... but not the Catholic Church....the Catholic Church is a man-made denomination that actually began in 300 AD.
The Roman Catholic Church is a cult.
How about CCC 841? Usually when a person fails to answer such a question, one usually assents to the status quo.... Are you a "good Catholic" who believes in the same "God" as the Muslims, or do you break with the Catholic Cult and worship the one true living God?
Hoss
Philip Schaff (January 1, 1819 – October 20, 1893)
NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, it is obviously the Church of Jimmy (I cheated on my wife) Swaggert, or Jim (I cheated on my wife and embezzled millions) Bakker, or Jesse (I have several children out of wedlock and am a a race baiter) Jackson, or Al (Resist we much) Sharpton.
Yep
Other notable converts are Chief Seattle, Sitting Bull, Buffalo Bill Cody, Kit Carson, and Chief Black Elk.
“A protestant theologian with an axe to grind is hardly unbiased. Post from a LEGITIMATE secular source like the Encyclopedia Britannica, then get back to us.”
Do you really think ANY source is unbiased?
Without presuppositions?
Without closely held convictions.
Do you really think there is no value in seeing the other side of the argument from someone or group that is absolutely biased in the opposite direction of your own?
If so, I feel deeply for the loss of a mind that is stagnant and is closed to actual thought.
Verga, you claim to hold multiple masters degrees. Is your education only applicable to evaluating or analyzing approved Catholic sources? If so, it wasn’t worth the time you spent.
Thinking is apparently a lost art on the other side of the Tiber. And this from a group that used to have absolutely fantastic thinkers.
I seem to have the ability to read Catholic sources and evaluate them in the light of Scripture and history, but when I post a non-Catholic source, there’s a lot of bed-wetting because it is “biased.”
cc: SR and GZ - I’m pinging you because I know the depth of thought you bring to every topic you touch and the depth of your educations. I’ve seen it on thread after thread. You might like to see how little of that is happening around here anymore.
“Philip Schaff (January 1, 1819 – October 20, 1893)”
Thanks for taking time to note the date. I did correct it in a later post.
Seriously the encyclopedia is now an "approved Catholic source"?
Oh that's right the Vatican secretly controls them and gives them their marching orders along with the Masons and the Trilateral commission. (I hope I don't need to add the /SARC tag to that.)
The fact is that I chose to suggest the EB since it is a secular source and does not have an axe to grind for or against either Shaff or the Catholic Church.
That is what is called unbiased.
And after reading what others have said about your source I am completely justified.
“The fact is that I chose to suggest the EB since it is a secular source and does not have an axe to grind for or against either Shaff or the Catholic Church.”
The EB has its own biases and presuppositions. As I pointed out, there are not sources that do not have their own issues that color how they interpret and weigh history.
“That is what is called unbiased.”
You are incorrect... or naive.
“And after reading what others have said about your source I am completely justified.”
You may consider yourself whatever you wish. I only wish for you that you would allow yourself to think, instead of react.
In the meantime, I will continue my search for a *single* Catholic who can and will allow themselves to think. Who won’t wet themselves when asked to use their mind beyond repeating slogans. I used to have a Catholic friend here who would do so extraordinarily well. We regularly prayed for each other. Unfortunately, he died. At the time, I didn’t understand how rare that would be.
I have a relative by marriage who teaches at a Catholic Seminary. When we first met and I asked him what he did, he said, “I teach at a Catholic Seminary and I’m a Catholic Intellectual - something of an oxymoron.” I now understand what he meant.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/282296/Saint-Ignatius-of-AntiochLong story short, many volumes have been written on the Ignatian epistles, and many more will be written. The debate is far from over. Even the brilliant 19th Century Anglican Bishop Lightfoot, whose major work was supposed to have settled the matter once for all in favor of authenticity for the seven epistles of the middle recension, contains within it evidence of unresolved oddities.
Can you remember reading about "a thorn in their side"?
I would gladly accept that.
Honestly, which source is less biased; Schaff or the Encyclopedia Britannica?
From WHO?
Just can NOT escape the TORTURE; eh?
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