Posted on 04/28/2015 8:36:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
It’s a question that requires little thought to answer; are you infallible? It ranks right up there with, “Are you God?” But to Catholic apologists the question is quite serious; that’s because they believe that there is a man on earth who, on the subject of faith and morals, is infallible; they call him, “holy father.” See, it does rank right up there with, “Are you God,” at least when coming from people who think their leader is equal with God on deciding issues of faith and morals.
According to Catholic apologist, John Martignoni, this question should cause Protestants to suddenly doubt everything they believe, and Catholics should take comfort in knowing they and only they, have an infallible leader here on earth. But how can they know? Is there one Catholic person out there, besides the pope of course, who will confess to being infallible? And if a Catholic is not infallible, how can he or she “know” their pope is infallible? They can’t! So if they cannot infallibly declare their pope to be infallible, then their assertion is nothing more than a fallible opinion. And if they are wrong, which my fallible counter-assertion says they are, then they are being deceived.
The logic that so often accompanies claims of papal infallibility goes something like this: “Jesus did not leave His people vulnerable to the doctrinal whims of competing leaders.”
The logic used is quite revealing; it indicates very strongly that those who use it have no idea what it means to have the gift of the Holy Spirit, because if they had the gift of the Holy Spirit they would not be looking to Rome for infallible direction. It also reveals that they think everyone else is like them, wanting to follow the whims of their leaders. It also denies the notion that Christ has relationship with man through the gift of the Holy Spirit. Their magisterium reserves that privilege for themselves and people buy into it. It’s no different than Mormons following their prophet in Utah.
The pope is the head of the Roman Catholic Church, but the Apostle Paul explicitly said that Christ is the head of His Church and He reconciles all things to Himself. To wit, Catholics will be quick to agree that Christ is the head, but then immediately contradict themselves by saying, “but He established the papacy through which He reveals His truths .” Based on what? If Christ is the head and we are the body, where does the papacy fit in? I see no evidence of this claim in Scripture or history, so if the evidence is not there the papacy must belong to a different body; one that is not associated with Christ and His church.
In his newsletter on his website where he shares chapter one of his new book, “Blue Collar Apologetics,” John Martignoni instructs his faithful followers to establish the fact that Protestants are not infallible early on in discussions with them. The purpose of doing this is to attempt to convince the Protestant that he could be wrong about what he believes. The funny thing is Martignoni never tells his readers what to do if the Protestant turns the question back on them; and that is most certainly what is likely to happen.
Does Martignoni really not see this coming, or is he simply at a loss for how to address it? Once a Catholic apologist is faced with admitting their own fallibility, they will immediately be forced to deal with the realization that their claim of papal infallibility is itself a fallible opinion; so they must, therefore, admit that they could be wrong as well. And once they realize the playing field is level, the evidence will do the talking.
A Catholic apologist who is willing to concede that his belief regarding papal infallibility is nothing more than a fallible opinion will likely ask another similar question, “What church do you belong to and how old is it?” In their minds this is the true “gotcha” question. They believe, in their fallible opinions of course, that they belong to the church founded by Christ nearly 2000 years ago. But the fact is, and yes it is a fact, there was no Roman Catholic Church 2000 years ago; it took a few hundred years for that to develop. Furthermore, by their own admission, the doctrines they hold equal in authority to the Bible, which they call “sacred traditions,” did not exist at the time of the apostles; that also is a fact.
There is something, however, that is clearly older than any Protestant or Roman Catholic Church and that is the written books of the Bible. If a person bases his or her faith on these written works then no supposed authority that came later can undermine the power of God working through them. It is unfortunate that when a person comes to Christ in faith through reading the Bible, that there are so-called Christians who come along to cast doubt in their minds. For example, in a tract on the Catholic Answers website called, “By What Authority,” it is stated, “In fact, not one book of the Bible was written for non-believers.”
Not according to the Apostle John who explicitly wrote, “These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name”? He did not say these are written because you believe; he said, these are written that you may believe. John’s gospel is a firsthand written testimony of the ministry of Jesus for the purpose of bringing people to Him, and Catholic apologists are telling us it was never John’s intention for us to become believers by reading it? Amazing; isn’t it? The Catholic Answers philosophy seems to be to make up facts rather than face them.
So for the sake of the next John Martignoni disciple who wants to ask me if I am infallible, the answer is no; and incidentally your answer to my identical question is also no. Thus I am not interested in your fallible opinion that your pope is infallible when speaking on faith and morals. Perhaps one of you can go tell Mr. Martignoni that chapter his one is incomplete, and that he might want to consider adding a realistic response to his question rather than a bunch of scenarios where the Protestant is simply dumbfounded. His current scenarios might have been fun for him to write, but they are only going to embarrass his readers when they go out armed with the Martignoni sword.
What does your conscience tell you?
Because the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob used new moon days, Sabbaths and Feasts that He taught Israel not only to tell ‘their’ story but to tell the Son’s story...
I can tell you this.. if you studied His calendar and the clock He placed in His sky, and saw how those days He gave Israel didn’t just point to historic Israel, but also were important to His Son, you would see how the Word made flesh is even more awesome a story that is cheapened and counterfeited by man (as Satan’s vessel)
Scripture records the sign in the heavens the day He was born - revelation 12 when the woman was clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet.
That ‘sign’ is a sign that occurred on September 26 in 2014. It won’t be on September 26 in 2015 nor was it on that day 2000 years ago.
It would have been earlier in the year back then thanks to a scientific discovery called the precession of the equinox.
But that ‘sign’ represents the end of what scripture would call a ‘new moon day’ or the ‘first day of the month’..
That was a holy day every month in scripture.
Those new moon days are ignored in large fashion today because the world uses a Roman solar calendar that hides those days.
If one studies the calendar in scripture, best detailed in a template given to Ezekiel 46, scripture shows that there are new moon days, 6 work days and the Sabbath..
That totals 8 days, not 7. That is a proof that the calendar the world uses ignores one major holy day He taught Israel. A day that, with study, is a day the Savior of the world was born.
hiding His real birth and ignoring appointed holy days is what Satan would do..
That template of new moon day, 6 work days and the Sabbath tells a story that matches Torah with the New testament.
With His birth on a new moon day, the first day of the month( a specific month), He was to be curcumcised according to law, on the 8th day.
With that template given to Ezekiel, the 8th day of the month is the weekly Sabbath.
8 days old and the Word made flesh was born on an appointed day and circumcised on an appointed day.
After His birth, there was to be 40 days of purification for His mother and then the dedication in the temple, again per law.
According to the template given to Ezekiel, the 40th day of the next month is the 10th day.
There is one month in His calendar that has a very holy ‘sabbath’that falls on the 10th day ( the 7th- called day of atonement)
Can you see a pattern emerge that destroys those counterfeit days?
The baptism is less firm but even that has a hint of a 40 day purification that occurs immediately after He was baptized.
There is only one gospel that details He was 30 years old.
Following the pattern, is it out of the realm of the possibility that He was circumcised on His 30th birthday, a new moon day - one of those appointed days He taught Iarael?
We already know (but people ignore for a roman substitute) He laid His life down as the Passover Lamb on the 14th day.
He laid in the tomb and ‘rested’, even in death obeyed, the weekly AND annual Sabbath on the 15th day - feast of unleavened bread.
And was raised on the 16th day (which is the 1st day of the 2nd work week according to Ezekiel’s template.), the 3rd day and Feast of First Fruits.
In one study, the 3 days and 3 nights in the ‘tomb’ can be proven false.
The good Friday, holy Saturday and Easter Sunday teaching can be proven false because Passover ‘floats’ and isn’t on a Friday every year (nor was it this year except that Jews can’t observe passover on their roman holy sabbath Saturday evening - that is a whole other story)
The good friday/Saturday/Sunday ‘template’ is accurate but because Rome controls the calendar and the work and worship for the world, Jews and Christians miss the plain teachings that expose even the pope Gregory (or the Julian) as also false.
Now people who call today Thor’s day will not see this without the scales coming off..
It is why I call today His 3rd day, the 11th day of His month and not April 30.
I have blessed by asking, seeking, knocking and rejecting the world and its powers and principalities that set the work and worship of the entire world.
And because of that, I have been able to see how those new moon days, sabaths and Feasts He taught Israel have only a little to do with Moses and Israel of old..
For me, as a gentile, they point to the Way, Truth and Life.
Literally..
And His Bride should know the big days in His life.. and amazingly, His Bride can .. but they would have to unlearn lots..
Worship in spirit and falsehoods isn’t worship in spirit and Truth.
And it could lead people to have faith in lies and counterfeits.
See, man doesn’t get to choose if the Word is the guide..
His appointments are a blessing.
And why september 26 in 2014 was ignored by Jews and Christians is rather prophetic..
The world is free to do their own thing and if I didn’t see Satan behind the hiding of His holy days from His people, I wouldmt be able to say Satan has changed times, laws and have stolen worship..
But most wont see it.. again, they accept Rome’s teachings.. especially their calendar..
The Word made flesh arrived on an appointed day, circumcised on an appointed day, dedicated in the temple on an appointed day, baptized on an appointed day, laid His life down on an appointed day, rested on an appointed day, and was raised on an appointed day..
And the Holy Spirit came on one of those appointed days too.. and Jews and Christians get that wrong too..
But that would require another post and a look at the parable of the sower and 30/60/100
Christians reject those holy days because they don’t see the Son in them. And that means, they don’t have the Son. They have a roman counterfeit.one that has a unique Roman story that fits loosely a Torah-like template..
Something so subtle that most won’t see it. Satan is that subtle..
To stay away from Rome?
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If you have a point to make with scripture, please post and highlight the scripture as the rest of us do.
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>> “In this you do err, for a Promise from God is already a reality when He makes the Promise.” <<
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But to add to the promise destroys understanding!
God’s promise demanded that we “endure to the end.”
Those that slide off and fail to endure have no claim to any promise.
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In another place Paul writes, "Yet for love's sake I rather beseech thee, being such an one as Paul the aged, and now also a prisoner of Jesus Christ."
And in yet another place Paul writes, "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."
And finally Peter wrote to those he was assigned as Apostle, "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: ... Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. ... But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Faith in the Promise of God makes it real in you today, for a Promise from God is a guarantee across all of time and eternity..
Why do many sites say that is true? I did a little research and that is what I found. One site even compared it to Islam.
SPRING is doing it to mine!
Loppin' off dead limbs on the apple trees, mowin' down them yaller fowers...
Too bad it does not ACT like it.
“Those that slide off and fail to endure have no claim to any promise.” In this you do err, for you place the responsibility to activate the Promise of God in the hands of fallen man, whom Satan can always make fall into error. “Faithful is He that calleth you, for He will also do it. Many are called, but few are chosen.” Why do you supposed that is? ... Because so few will let Him do it, and they strive their entire life trying to ‘endure unto the end’, so that God will owe them what He has offered all along as Grace. Applying a passage aimed at those coming through the great Tribulation to those who have received the Holy Spirit of Promise as the earnest of their inheritance is erring to apply the scriptures properly. That error arises by not first noting to whom a passage is aimed.
NOPE...The word 'alone' doesn't have to be there for it to be scripture 'alone'...Yet a student of the bible can see scripture 'alone' every where he/she looks...
Same with the Trinity...You can't find the word in there but you can see the Trinity all over the place...
And now you might want to try that with 'Catholic Church'...You can't find the words in the bible for that either...The big difference is no matter how hard or often you look, 'Catholic Church' ain't in there...Neither is 'pope'...Neither is 'mediatrix' or any of that other goofy stuff your religion made up...
Merely having the Scriptures is no "bullet-proof guarantee" of salvation; one can still have them, and suffer destruction. More is needed... and the Bible clearly lists many of these additional necessities: love (1 Corinthians 13), perseverence/endurance (Matthew 10:22 and 24:13), corporal works of mercy (Matthew 25:31-46), and dozens more.
Well you got one right...The BIBLE is the key...
No he didn't...He was speaking of 'Redemption', not salvation...
"Jesus answered, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom [Gk: basileian] of God."I don't see your claim about being "born from above" in this verse (perhaps you meant John 3:3?), nor do I see anything about being "called by God" in this verse, I don't see anything at all (in the Greek or in the English) mentioned about "ekklesia" or "Church" in this verse, and I definitely don't see anything about "indwelt by the Holy Spirit" in this verse. (Note: I did a text search of the entire Bible, in at least 20 translations, and I don't see "indwelt" anywhere; can you give a reference as to where that exact word shows up in Scripture?)
"praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved."Help me out, here. Where does this verse say anything at all about ekklesia, being "called by God", being "indwelt by the Holy Spirit", "born from above", or ANYTHING you mentioned, at ALL? Interpret for me, please.... since merely reciting the verse again won't resolve the questions, nor will it fill in the things of your statement which are missing. Either you need to explain how the text "really MEANS" what you said, earlier (i.e. interpret the text, for me), or you need to abandon your earlier claim... since it's obvious to anyone with eyes that your claims are not explicitly in those texts.
Redemption is salvation.
And for wanting the Catholic church to get back to the Bible that Catholics claim their church wrote, he was branded a heretic and ex-communicated.
Says a lot about their opinion of Scripture, doesn't it?
The Gospel is 'Salvation comes through faithing in Christ'. The Holy Spirit in the human spirit is the Gospel of Good news, because you cannot of your efforts exhibit the character of God in your human behavior and life. ONLY by His indwelling spirit is the character of God displayed in the life of a human being.
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
The following passages should all be read as a continuous assurance:
Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. [An interesting thing about little children, that they believe and accept so innocently. Thereby the Promises made to them they accept as absolutely guaranteed.]
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Romans 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
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>> “In this you do err, for you place the responsibility to activate the Promise of God in the hands of fallen man...” <<
That is doubletalk!
The scriptures have been posted more times than should be necessary. Enduring is our job, not God’s. The apostles assure us that many that had the Holy Spirit will be ultimately lost, due to their own turning away.
Disliking scripture won’t make it go away.
Refusing to believe the plain words of scripture is the error.
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Yes, it does. Sometimes, I wonder if they even care what the Bible says. I am having a costochondritis flare up. I feel like I am having a heart attack. : (
Post the passages of scripture with your assertion, noting to whom the passages are written and for what times. THEN we will go further in this discussion, but not until.
LOL...I was pulling a “Francis” on you...
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