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Are Christians Under the 10 Commandments?
Desiring God ^ | August 7, 2010 | John Piper

Posted on 04/12/2015 11:16:47 AM PDT by RnMomof7

The following is an edited transcript of the audio.

Are Christians under the 10 commandments?

No. The Bible says we're not under the law.

I love Romans 7:4-6. By way of analogy, it says that you are married to the law. And you better stay married because if you leave this husband and go marry another you are going to be called an adulterer. But if your husband dies, then you can go and remarry.

And then Paul draws the analogy out—a little complex the way he does it—saying that you died to the law. You aren't married anymore, you can have another husband, namely Christ. He's raised from the dead.

So, our approach towards ethics is different. We don't ask the question, "Am I under the law?" We are under grace. The law is already fulfilled perfectly by Jesus. We are in Jesus and as far justification goes, God sees it as completed for you, one-hundred percent. He says, "You've trusted my Son. You've been grafted in him. You are in Christ Jesus and he fulfilled the law perfectly. He covered all your sins." God sees you in and through Christ, therefore, as far as final judgment goes God is 100% for you. That is settled and nothing is going to change it.

Now, shall we sin that grace may abound? Paul says, "Dead men don't sin." If you've died to sin, how can you still live in it? The new birth is the writing of the law on our heart so that we are not under it, it is under us. It is just coming out.

The way we strive towards being obedient, holy and loving people is not by getting up in the morning and pulling the list out of our pocket. No! We get on our knees and we open ourselves to the whole counsel of God in the Bible. We saturate and shape ourselves by everything he has done, he is doing and he will do. We stake our lives in the gospel and then instead of serving the law, we serve one another in love.

Love is the fruit of faith in Jesus—faith working through love. And if you ask, "What does love look like?" First John says, "It keeps the commandments." That brings us back to the question, which commandments? I would say, the ones that are loving.

Love God and do as you please is not bad advice, if you're bent on holiness. If you're bent on love the ten commandments are really important. You should hang them on your wall and you should measure your life by them, but in a very different way than when you were under them, because they have been kept for you.

You are now married to the risen Christ. You are not married to the law and the oldness of the letter, but to the newness of the Spirit. Our whole approach towards transformation, love and life is different than list keeping.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: 10commandments; faith; johnpiper; mercy; obedience; salvation
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To: RnMomof7
Do you know the purpose of the law?

Yes

Do you know how many commands in the NT are optional for a believer?

161 posted on 04/13/2015 12:02:58 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: Elsie
Doesn't the word GENTILE mean ANYTHING?

Does the word CHOICE mean anything?

162 posted on 04/13/2015 1:15:22 PM PDT by 1_Of_We
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To: OneWingedShark
The goal of the Christian is to be Christlike, since Christ kept the law perfectly then to be like Christ is to make the law inferior because you have an example — it’s like having the choice of a path with sign-posts vs. a guide who knows the way and will personally escort you.

The "goal" of this Christian is to worship and adore my Savior ... I can never be like Christ ..He was God/man.. He was perfect..

163 posted on 04/13/2015 4:27:20 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: dartuser
Do you know the purpose of the law?
Yes

What was it?

164 posted on 04/13/2015 4:28:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Gal. 3:24 ...

How many commands in the NT are optional for a believer?

165 posted on 04/13/2015 4:39:57 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: RnMomof7; roamer_1

Warning...John Piper sermons are only for those discerning:)

He did a great job explaining that our Master is Holy
therefore we walk in His footsteps.


166 posted on 04/13/2015 7:20:21 PM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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To: dartuser

All of them. Yep that is right.They belong to the Jews,not gen gentiles at all. See the Jerusalem council for clarification on that...


167 posted on 04/13/2015 7:29:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
That is because Rome has a self salvation of works

I see that old lie is still in circulation.

168 posted on 04/13/2015 10:58:00 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan; RnMomof7
Sure it is.

If you don't do (fill-in-the-blank) you won't go to heaven and if you do do (fill-in-the-blank) you will go to hell.

It's based on what a person does or doesn't do, IOW, a system of works, not the mercy of God by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

169 posted on 04/14/2015 3:37:43 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: dartuser
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ... there are 4 of the 10 in there ...

Ah!

Some of my FAVORITES!

I always include 11 when showing the SIN of homosexuality.

(Which somehow escaped being in THE LAW.)


9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If any of the ten commandments are reiterated in the New Testament ... THEN THEY STILL APPLY.

I see SINS, but I do NOT see the FACT of any LAW being there.

170 posted on 04/14/2015 3:52:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 1_Of_We
Does the word CHOICE mean anything?

You have CHOSEN to be a Jew?

How interesting...

171 posted on 04/14/2015 3:53:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
That is because Rome has a self salvation of works

I see that old lie is still in circulation.

Not a lie; just a bit off...

That is because Rome has a self ASSURANCE of works

172 posted on 04/14/2015 3:55:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

Oh, you mean like, “I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink”?

That’s the weird thing about Protestantism. It condemns Jesus as a heretic.


173 posted on 04/14/2015 5:02:17 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: RnMomof7
How many commands in the NT are optional for a believer?

All of them. Yep that is right.They belong to the Jews,not gen gentiles at all. See the Jerusalem council for clarification on that...

My friend ... while I have enjoyed your many articles refuting the doctrines of Rome, on this point you are dangerously close to antinomianism.

By seeking to distance yourself from Rome (yes, a good thing) you have focused on one or two passages at the exclusion of all the others. If all the commands in the NT are optional (and the vast majority were written to Gentiles churches) ... then faith toward God is optional ... for that is a NT command.

1 John 2:4 The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

Do you understand what John is saying? He is speaking to Gentile believers. He is addressing the believer who claims to know Him, yet does not keep His commandments. Doesn't sound like His commands are optional. John is saying that if your Christian life is characterized by disobedience to His commands ... you're probably not a believer in Him.

Slaves don't typically get to decide which commands of their master they want to obey.

174 posted on 04/14/2015 5:06:38 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: pgyanke
I think in OT times people evidently needed to have things spelled out for them in greater detail, not unlike how children need more simplified, direct and detailed instruction than adults do, except when arguing about words like the meaning of "is", of course.

When the Son of Man arrived, he wasn't a detail kinda guy, but rather spoke in parables fulfilling prophesy.

From a practical point of view, He condensed the Big Ten into just two commandments, but those two contain not just the Big Ten but even more left unspoken but clearly understood by the eyes that do see and the ears that do hear.

From my own point of view, the rules, the Ten Commandments, didn't change at all and we break any of them at our peril and must repent and seek forgiveness in this time of Grace.

"Trust only motion" is a phrase I like as it speaks to, and can be used to reveal, a person's truth.

In other words, actions speak louder than words, they say, and by their fruits we shall know them, as will the angels when it's their time to separate the weeds from the wheat.

The Ten Commandments are what the Big Boss expects from His own and we would do well to suck up to the Boss and follow His Rules.

The Ten Commandments? It's the Law. Learn it. Know it. Live it.

175 posted on 04/14/2015 6:26:15 AM PDT by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom
Oh, you mean like, “I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink”?

Catholic priests have never learned to rightly divide the word of God ...that is sad

That does not say that one is saved by works does it?

The Sheep were not ever GOATS. the Goats never behaved like sheep

This was a judgment of rewards , not salvation .

Mat 16:27"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

Luke 14:14"For thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just."

(Rev 22:12)"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

1Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away."

The Goats are condemned , not because they did not work, but because they had never repented and believed

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 4:5  But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

They were not sheep because they did the work that God had ordained for them, they did the work because they were the sheep.

176 posted on 04/14/2015 6:39:27 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
You make an assertion, and then quote a Scripture verse that flatly contradicts what you have just said: This was a judgment of rewards , not salvation.

Mat 16:27"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

Jesus tells the good people to enter into eternal happiness, and he tells the bad people to enter into eternal fire. This isn't about salvation????????

177 posted on 04/14/2015 6:47:00 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: RnMomof7

This stuff about the sheep and the goats is nowhere in the gospel. It’s just man-made Protestant ideology.


178 posted on 04/14/2015 7:02:30 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
That’s the weird thing about Protestantism. It condemns Jesus as a heretic.

It does?

I must take up valuable TIME to DEFEND against this charge!!!

180 posted on 04/14/2015 10:20:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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