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To: metmom

Oh, you mean like, “I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink”?

That’s the weird thing about Protestantism. It condemns Jesus as a heretic.


173 posted on 04/14/2015 5:02:17 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom
Oh, you mean like, “I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink”?

Catholic priests have never learned to rightly divide the word of God ...that is sad

That does not say that one is saved by works does it?

The Sheep were not ever GOATS. the Goats never behaved like sheep

This was a judgment of rewards , not salvation .

Mat 16:27"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

Luke 14:14"For thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just."

(Rev 22:12)"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

1Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away."

The Goats are condemned , not because they did not work, but because they had never repented and believed

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 4:5  But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

They were not sheep because they did the work that God had ordained for them, they did the work because they were the sheep.

176 posted on 04/14/2015 6:39:27 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Arthur McGowan
That’s the weird thing about Protestantism. It condemns Jesus as a heretic.

It does?

I must take up valuable TIME to DEFEND against this charge!!!

180 posted on 04/14/2015 10:20:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

That’s not at all the case.

The matter is justification.

We either need (a) to be absolutely perfect, or (b) God’s mercy, so that despite us doing as He hates, sinning, He yet accepts us even though we’re not perfect.

None of us can live up to A. But through Jesus, we can be saved by B, God’s mercy.

This is really a question of our guilt. We’ve all murdered in our hearts. We’re all murderers in God’s eyes. When someone has committed a murder or other serious crime, what good works offset that? Or can the murderer say that for many thousands of days in his life he never committed a serious crime, and he only did once for a brief moment, so the murder doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things?

When someone claims to be saved by faith and by works, they are claiming that they are partly saved by Jesus (whom they need because of their “bad self,”) and partly saved by themselves (their “good self,” who, as the atheists say, doesn’t need God because it’s already good.)

To be partly “saved by works” is to, like Satan, claim a partial independence and non-need for God. It’s also to claim that both God and self are sources for good. This flies in the face of what Paul wrote, though, that we have nothing to boast about because there isn’t anything good in ourselves we haven’t received from God.

And something else very wrong about the saved by works thinking is that it turns works into a loss to self and would place God in debt to man, as Paul writes. The lie is created that the worker is a “good person” who deserves better than the tough row God gives him to hoe, but sacrifices for God anyway because of how wonderful he is, and would be entitled to feel self-pity or pride, and certainly has more than earned his way to Heaven by all he’s put up with. Again, it all comes back to that we’ve all sinned against God. We’re all sinners and no one could stand justified before God without receiving God’s merciful forgiveness. Who doesn’t need that? Who can claim utter righteousness and that God is entitled to give them eternal life because they haven’t sinned?

Once you understand that you can’t get around the need for God’s mercy, then it’s a lot easier to see how works fit in (and they do - Bible-believing Christians speak of the importance and necessity of works all the time, just not as Catholics do). And that our turning to Christ to begin with is in self-interest (to save our skins, as the Prodigal Son recognized that he’d be better off returning to his father because he’d be taken care of, not because he was initially sorry).


204 posted on 04/15/2015 4:42:43 PM PDT by Faith Presses On ("After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations...")
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