Posted on 03/05/2015 2:28:53 AM PST by RaceBannon
What, are you nuts??? I'm not going to search your catechism for your proof...
You already posted from your catechism that baptism is not necessary...If you have something to add to that, post it...
It is to them...
Can any one show me where the Apostles who came form John were rebaptized? the only one I read of is Paul, and he was not one of the 12.
No, we’re not told of their rebaptism.
Hey, maybe they weren’t! (/s) Once you show that from the Scriptures, you’ll have made your case.
Until then, what you have to deal with is the Lord’s instructions to you through His apostles.
That is exactly what you are doing...You do not, you can not receive the Holy Spirit by being baptized in water...
Peter says the common element between Noah’s salvation and our salvation is water.
Wrong again...
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Noah was not promised a life in heaven when the rain came down...His human life was saved from drowning...
And then some might notice that this saving of Noah's life was a 'like figure' of the baptism we go thru...
And then Peter is careful and precise to tell you there is no water in this baptism:
not the putting away of the filth of the flesh
No...Our saving baptism is a spiritual baptism:
but the answer of a good conscience toward God
Why would some of John’s disciples, who left to follow Jesus need to be rebaptized, since their sins were remitted by the baptism of John? But was John’s baptism valid if the people in Acts had to be rebaptized?
And we know nothing of Peter or the others. Yet, they received the Holy Spirit.
We also hear nothing of Apollos being re-baptized, just that Priscilla and Aquila ...”26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.”
If baptism in water for remission of sin was so important it would be mentioned far more than it is.
Again, NOAH and his family did not get wet, the same as the people who crossed the Red Sea under the cloud did not get wet.
In both cases the ones who got “baptized” with water died.
Again, the element God chose to use in saving Noah, in saving the Israelites, and in saving us is water.
Noah died, the Israelites died, and the 3,000 at Pentecost died. Does that mean none were saved?
Noah was saved from the flood. The Israelites were saved from Egypt. The 3,000 were saved from their sins. God used water in each case.
It wasn’t the Christians in Rome who invented the “REAL baptism, RITUAL baptism” nonsense. They already knew what baptism was. They didn’t need Paul to say, “Now let me be clear about WHICH baptism I’m talking about here.”
There aren’t two baptisms, only one.
The bible proves you 300% WRONG...
Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
There are 2 baptisms there...One with water, one without...
There are at least 7 baptisms in the bible...You of course will not find them in your catechism...That's why God gave us a bible...
St Paul mentions that by GRACE you are saved in almost all his letters.
James mentions you are justified by WORKS once.. Everyone throws out all Paul’s life preservers and grasps at James’ strawy epistle.
For the same reason that Paul no where says you are saved by being baptized in water. Baptism is into Christ on on the Cross.
If St Paul had been a Campbellite here is how he would write this. No self respecting CofC preacher would let it pass.
Romans 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved ( when you are baptized by immersion in water).
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation ( And when you go down into the water, baptism washes away the sins).
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him (and is baptized for remission of sins) shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him (and are baptized).
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord and is baptized in water) shall be saved.
But notice Paul did not say anything about it anywhere.
Salvation first, then baptism (following the Lord) later.
So do you believe that meant water baptism and that is what washes away sins?
Nobody puts that on a cake mix box. It’s in the instructions, and that’s sufficient.
But consider this conversation:
“This cake isn’t very good.”
“What do you mean? It’s from a Mom’s Best cake mix!”
“Well it’s just kinda gooey and gummy.”
“I don’t understand what went wrong. I followed the instructions on the box.”
“So you put the mix in a bowl, and added 2 eggs and 1/2 cup water?”
“Yes, did that.”
“And stirred it? Then poured it into a baking pan?”
“Yes, did that.”
“And then baked it at 350 degrees for 30 minutes?”
“Doh! Somebody told me that part wasn’t necessary since it was only in the directions and wasn’t written all over the box!”
You have tried those tactics before and the same answer from scripture is:
Hebrews 11:29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. 30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. 31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
The Holy Spirit through Paul says it was the faith, you need to argue with him if you think it was something else.
So water Baptism isn't necessary then...Thankyou...
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