Posted on 02/25/2015 11:50:17 AM PST by NYer
Could not the opposite also be true? People want to be judged merely on their faith so that they don’t have to be concerned with actually doing anything...aka Luther...
For your trespasses. Even though you’ve presented it as “exploration” this article and the posited excuse for the embrace of it is a trespass in the most Biblical sense.
I forgive you.
Good post.
“Christ speaks of finding rest for your soul in Him. He said “For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. In stark contrast, Rome puts sinners in bondage.”
To a true Catholic, that burden is light, eased by the Sacraments, especially Confession. We choose to follow Jesus through His Church, out of love. Those who feel it’s a burden generally leave and go toward something easier, either where the rules suit them; they can make up their own; or there are none at all.
I thought only God was always right...
I was speaking of your bondage to works of the law, not your religious gymnastics or rituals.
“15. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
It’s still God who put the names in; He decides.
That's true... to a point. From there, you have to remember that we are sinners constantly being saved. It is not once saved, always saved. It's more like... now that you're saved, stay saved. The Corporal Works of Mercy are not works to earn our salvation like coins of the realm. They are chastisements of the flesh to orient us toward God's Will. They are self-denial and sacrifice in the service of Love. It isn't that we buy our way into Heaven, it is more of a walk along the path to our journey's end.
I don't know what you mean by that.
I was always told I could never intetpret scripture, unless the priest was there to interpret for me. Did that change, because here you are interpreting scripture?
I don't interpret Scripture of my own understanding. I lean on the wisdom of the Church. There is plenty of learning and teaching in the last 2000 years.
If you spent a little time in Colorado Springs, maybe you heard about the Navigators in Col Spr.
I know them. I'm sorry you lost the Church. In my experience, this is done in ignorance just as some Christians believe what they are told about Mohammed and follow the Muslims. I don't say that in insult... just observation and analogy.
I nearly lost my way in the Church. It's a long story but it really came down to a question of authority. I realized there had to be a Church with real authority or Christ had not fulfilled His promise. From there, I researched the early Church fathers and rebuilt my Catholic faith. Once it had been built on sand. Now it is build on solid ground and I know whereof I share my experience of Christ's Bride and the wisdom She has shared through the centuries. Yes, there are fallen men in the Church and yes, some have done very evil things. However, as an institution built on doctrines and dogmas revealed by the Spirit, She has never wavered.
13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Sounds pretty solid to me.
Says me, yes. You think you can make interpretions, so can I. You may disagree with my interpretation. Fine, I disagree with yours too.
He said he was the door. I don't think he was made of wood with a metal handle.
You define the term too narrowly: Door is also defined "any means of approach, admittance, or access:" Seems to fit to me.
By golly, I believe you just figured it out. Of course I know it means approach, admittance or access. I do what Rush does, I demonstrate absurdity, by being absurd. Telling me that Jesus Christ meant to physically eat his body and drink his physical blood is absurd. He meant it figuratively, not literally. God says don't eat the blood, so that is how I interpret it. You may disagree with my interpretation. So be it.
I do not celebrate one day over another. Paul said for every person to be convinced in there own minds, if they want to celebrate one day over another. That is the beauty of Christian liberty. I can choose to consider one day over another, or not. You may disagree with that. So be it. Mostly, as I said, we will have to agree to disagree.
Yes... but it follows a conditional; "if."
It is ironic that you are using your own personal interpretation of Scripture in these passages to fit your own need.
It would be... if that were true.
Now, if you keep John 6 in context, you will see He calls Himself the bread of life. A parable if you will.
Apparently, a parable only if it fits your view.
If we take this literally, then the disciples should have been literally eating Him right there on the spot. that they didn't is telling. They understood what He was saying.
What you say does not have to follow. That isn't an element of logic. The point is they didn't understand. That's why so many turned away. They understood His Words very clearly... they just didn't understand how it could be possible. The Apostles didn't understand it either, they just didn't leave. They trusted that what Jesus said would be and they stayed with Him because He spoke the truth... whether or not they understood it.
I forgive you.
1) This isn't my thread.
2) If I have sinned against the Word of God... you have some mighty hubris.
The answer's still the same! It's a joy not a burden, even in the midst of all the fodder the haters of Catholicism bring in with them.
Forgiveness is our friend!
Bro no more rank. We are both veterans now:)
No pecking order waiting in VA long lines.
It seems to me that the argument presented by the author deserves consideration. IMHO many Eternal Security Protestants do not adequately take into consideration passages encouraging believers to "remain in the faith."
One detects a subtle arrogance not only of "possessing the correct theology" (unlike those Papists) but of a mistaken assurance that one is "eternally secure" and thus can commit any sin with impunity. This is a misguided and frankly dangerous attitude to take.
This from one who believes entirely in salvation by faith in Christ, "not of ourselves lest any man should boast."
That explains a great deal. This is a worthwhile approach for politics. In discussions of Our Lord... not so much.
Telling me that Jesus Christ meant to physically eat his body and drink his physical blood is absurd.
And yet He did just that. Do a search on Biblegateway online. Search the whole Bible for "this is my body." What you will get is the synaptic Gospel accounts of the Last Supper with Jesus holding the host telling us that the Host He is holding is His Own Flesh and St Paul's remembrance of the same. Do the same search for "this is my blood" and you get the same result. In all of the Bible, the only time Our Lord says "this is my body" and "this is my blood" is at the Last Supper when the Apostles are then admonished to take it and eat and drink--and DO this in His memory. St Paul notes that failing to receive them rightly is sinning against the Body and Blood of the Lord. It's all spelled out clearly for those with the eyes of faith.
As to the admonishment to not eat the blood... read WHY in Genesis and Deuteronomy. In both places, God tells us we are not to eat the blood of animals because the life is in the blood. All other admonitions in the Old and New Testament are based on this understanding. Then Jesus comes and tells us that if we don't eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood we have no life within us. The life He came to give is His own Flesh and Blood for the life of the world.
Think about John 6. Clearly the Jews knew what they were hearing and they reacted just as you have. Only the Apostles stayed after this discourse. Why? Simple trust. Jesus had the Words of everlasting life. They didn't understand what they had been told but they knew it was true--so true that many walked away from Jesus because they didn't trust that He had the authority to say what He was saying.
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