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Faith Alone v. Forgiving Trespasses: How the Lord's Prayer Contradicts the Reformation
Catholic Defense ^
| February 25, 2015
Posted on 02/25/2015 11:50:17 AM PST by NYer
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Lines from the Lord's Prayer, in various languages. From the Eucharist Door at the Glory Facade of the Sagrada Família in Barcelona, Spain. |
It's Lent in Rome. That means it's time for one of the great Roman traditions: station churches. Each morning, English-speaking pilgrims walk to a different church for Mass. This morning, on the way to St. Anastasia's, I was once again struck by a line in the Our Father: “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That's a hard thing to pray, It doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room. Even the Catechism seems shocked by it:
This petition is astonishing. If it consisted only of the first phrase, "And forgive us our trespasses," it might have been included, implicitly, in the first three petitions of the Lord's Prayer, since Christ's sacrifice is "that sins may be forgiven." But, according to the second phrase, our petition will not be heard unless we have first met a strict requirement. Our petition looks to the future, but our response must come first, for the two parts are joined by the single word "as."
Upon arriving at Mass, I discovered that the Gospel for the day was Matthew 6:7-15, in which Christ introduces this prayer. That seemed too serendipitous to simply be a coincidence. Then Archbishop Di Noia, O.P., got up to preach the homily, and it was all about how to understand this particular petition. So here goes:
I think that the Lord's Prayer is flatly inconsistent with sola fide, the Protestant doctrine of justification by faith alone. Here's why.
In this line of the Lord's Prayer, Jesus seems to be explicitly conditioning our forgiveness on our forgiving. Indeed, it's hard to read “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” any other way. What's more, after introducing the prayer, Jesus focuses on this line, in particular. Here's how He explains it (Matthew 6:14-15):
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
So to be forgiven, you must forgive. If you do, you'll be forgiven. If you don't, you won't be. It's as simple as that.
So Christ has now told us
three times that our being forgiven is conditioned upon our forgiving, using the most explicit of language. How does
Luther respond to this? “God forgives freely and without condition, out of pure grace.” And what is
Calvin's response? “The forgiveness, which we ask that God would give us, does not depend on the forgiveness which we grant to others.”
Their theology forces them to deny Christ's plain words, since admitting them would concede that we need something more than faith alone: we also need to forgive our neighbors. They've painted themselves into a corner, theologically. To get out of it, they change this part of the Our Father into either a way that we can know that we're saved (Luther's approach: that God “set this up for our confirmation and assurance for
a sign alongside of the promise which accords with this prayer”) or a non-binding moral exhortation (Calvin's: “to remind us of the feelings which we ought to cherish towards brethren, when we desire to be reconciled to God”).
Modern Protestants tend to do the same thing with these verses, and countless other passages in which Christ or the New Testament authors teach us about something besides faith that's necessary for salvation. We see this particularly in regards to the Biblical teaching on the saving role of Baptism (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21) and works (Matthew 25:31-46; Romans 2:6-8; James 2). There are three common tactics employed:
- Reverse the causality. If a passage says that you must do X in order to be saved, claim that it really means that if you're saved, you'll just naturally do X. Thus, X is important for showing that you're saved, but it doesn't actually do anything, and certainly isn't necessary for salvation (even if the Bible says otherwise: Mark 16:16).
- No True Scotsman. If Scripture says that someone believed and then lost their salvation (like Simon the Magician in Acts 8, or the heretics mentioned in 2 Peter 2), say that they must not have ever actually believed (even if the Bible says the opposite: Acts 8:13, 2 Peter 2:1, 20-22).
- Spiritualize the passage into oblivion. If the Bible says that Baptism is necessary for salvation, argue that this is just a “spiritual” Baptism that means nothing more than believing. And if you need to get around the need to be “born of water and the Spirit” (John 3:5) spiritualize this, too, to get rid of the need for water. Reduce everything to a symbol, or a metaphor for faith.
In fairness to both the Reformers and to modern Protestants, they want to avoid any notion that we can earn God's forgiveness or our salvation. This doesn't justify denying or distorting Christ's words, but it's a holy impulse. And in fact, it was the theme of Abp. Di Noia's homily this morning. Grace is a gift, and what's more,
grace is what enables us to forgive others. This point is key, because it explains why Christ isn't teaching something like Pelagianism.
God freely pours out His graces upon us, which bring about both (a) our forgiveness, and (b) our ability to forgive others. But we can choose to accept that grace and act upon it, or to reject it. And that decision has eternal consequences. Such an understanding is harmonious with Christ's actual words, while avoiding any idea that we possess the power to earn our salvation.
So both Catholics and Protestants reject Pelagianism, but there's a critical difference. Catholics believe that grace
enables us to do good works, whereas Protestants tend to believe that grace
causes us to do good works. To see why it matters, consider the parable of the unmerciful servant, Matthew 18:21-35. In this parable, we see three things happen:
- A debtor is forgiven an enormous debt of ten thousand talents (Mt. 18:25-27). Solely through the grace of the Master (clearly representing God), this man is forgiven his debts (sins). He is in a state of grace.
- This debtor refuses to forgive his neighbor of a small debt of 100 denarii (Mt. 18:28-30). The fact that he's been forgiven should enable the debtor to be forgiving: in being forgiven, he's received the equivalent of 60,000,000 denarii, and he's certainly seen a moral model to follow. But he turns away from the model laid out by the Master, and refuses to forgive his neighbor.
- This debtor is unforgiven by his Master (Mt. 18:32-35). The kicker comes at the very end: “And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.”
Now, consider all of the Protestant work-arounds discussed above. To deny that this debtor was ever really forgiven would be an insult to the Master and in contradiction to the text. To say that, if we're forgiven, we'll just naturally forgive is equally a contradiction: this debtor is forgiven, and doesn't. To treat the need to forgive the other debtor as a non-binding moral exhortation would have been a fatal error.
This parable gets to the heart of the issue. The Master's forgiveness is freely given, and cannot be earned. But that doesn't mean it's given unconditionally or irrevocably. Quite the contrary: Christ shows us in this parable that it can be repealed, and tells us why: if we refuse to forgive, we will not be forgiven. It turns out, the Lord's Prayer actually means what it says.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: bumpusadsummum; calvin; catholic; faithalone; forgiveness; forgivingtrespasses; luther; ourfather; paternoster; prayer; solafide; thelordsprayer; theourfather
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To: CynicalBear
Correct again sir. Are you ever wrong? 😄😃😀😊
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posted on
02/25/2015 6:39:34 PM PST
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Mark17
(Calvary's love has never faltered, all it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage)
To: metmom
Could not the opposite also be true? People want to be judged merely on their faith so that they don’t have to be concerned with actually doing anything...aka Luther...
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posted on
02/25/2015 6:40:32 PM PST
by
bike800
To: pgyanke
For your trespasses. Even though you’ve presented it as “exploration” this article and the posited excuse for the embrace of it is a trespass in the most Biblical sense.
I forgive you.
To: chajin
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posted on
02/25/2015 6:46:08 PM PST
by
redleghunter
(He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
To: .45 Long Colt
“Christ speaks of finding rest for your soul in Him. He said For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. In stark contrast, Rome puts sinners in bondage.”
To a true Catholic, that burden is light, eased by the Sacraments, especially Confession. We choose to follow Jesus through His Church, out of love. Those who feel it’s a burden generally leave and go toward something easier, either where the rules suit them; they can make up their own; or there are none at all.
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posted on
02/25/2015 6:47:20 PM PST
by
Grateful2God
(Oh dear Jesus, Oh merciful Jesus, Oh Jesus, son of Mary, have mercy on me. Amen.)
To: Mark17; CynicalBear
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Faith Alone v. Forgiving Trespasses: How the Lord's Prayer Contradicts the Reformation, Mark17 wrote: Correct again sir. Are you ever wrong? 😄😃😀😊
I thought only God was always right...
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:00:20 PM PST
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Grateful2God
(Oh dear Jesus, Oh merciful Jesus, Oh Jesus, son of Mary, have mercy on me. Amen.)
To: Grateful2God
I was speaking of your bondage to works of the law, not your religious gymnastics or rituals.
To: ealgeone
“15. And if anyones name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
It’s still God who put the names in; He decides.
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:04:56 PM PST
by
Grateful2God
(Oh dear Jesus, Oh merciful Jesus, Oh Jesus, son of Mary, have mercy on me. Amen.)
To: CynicalBear
He is clearly stating that what man does is not how he gets saved. It's "by grace through faith". He said "not from yourselves. In other words not something you do.That's true... to a point. From there, you have to remember that we are sinners constantly being saved. It is not once saved, always saved. It's more like... now that you're saved, stay saved. The Corporal Works of Mercy are not works to earn our salvation like coins of the realm. They are chastisements of the flesh to orient us toward God's Will. They are self-denial and sacrifice in the service of Love. It isn't that we buy our way into Heaven, it is more of a walk along the path to our journey's end.
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:07:28 PM PST
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pgyanke
(Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
To: Mark17
I would like to know how you interpret that God is not a respector of people.I don't know what you mean by that.
I was always told I could never intetpret scripture, unless the priest was there to interpret for me. Did that change, because here you are interpreting scripture?
I don't interpret Scripture of my own understanding. I lean on the wisdom of the Church. There is plenty of learning and teaching in the last 2000 years.
If you spent a little time in Colorado Springs, maybe you heard about the Navigators in Col Spr.
I know them. I'm sorry you lost the Church. In my experience, this is done in ignorance just as some Christians believe what they are told about Mohammed and follow the Muslims. I don't say that in insult... just observation and analogy.
I nearly lost my way in the Church. It's a long story but it really came down to a question of authority. I realized there had to be a Church with real authority or Christ had not fulfilled His promise. From there, I researched the early Church fathers and rebuilt my Catholic faith. Once it had been built on sand. Now it is build on solid ground and I know whereof I share my experience of Christ's Bride and the wisdom She has shared through the centuries. Yes, there are fallen men in the Church and yes, some have done very evil things. However, as an institution built on doctrines and dogmas revealed by the Spirit, She has never wavered.
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:15:26 PM PST
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pgyanke
(Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
To: pgyanke
Colossian 2:13-14
13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Sounds pretty solid to me.
To: pgyanke; metmom; RnMomof7; daniel1212; CynicalBear
Says who? You?Says me, yes. You think you can make interpretions, so can I. You may disagree with my interpretation. Fine, I disagree with yours too.
He said he was the door. I don't think he was made of wood with a metal handle.
You define the term too narrowly: Door is also defined "any means of approach, admittance, or access:" Seems to fit to me.
By golly, I believe you just figured it out. Of course I know it means approach, admittance or access. I do what Rush does, I demonstrate absurdity, by being absurd. Telling me that Jesus Christ meant to physically eat his body and drink his physical blood is absurd. He meant it figuratively, not literally. God says don't eat the blood, so that is how I interpret it. You may disagree with my interpretation. So be it.
I do not celebrate one day over another. Paul said for every person to be convinced in there own minds, if they want to celebrate one day over another. That is the beauty of Christian liberty. I can choose to consider one day over another, or not. You may disagree with that. So be it. Mostly, as I said, we will have to agree to disagree.
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:17:16 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Calvary's love has never faltered, all it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage)
To: ealgeone
Actually in the greek, pluck out is in the imperative....the mood of command.Yes... but it follows a conditional; "if."
It is ironic that you are using your own personal interpretation of Scripture in these passages to fit your own need.
It would be... if that were true.
Now, if you keep John 6 in context, you will see He calls Himself the bread of life. A parable if you will.
Apparently, a parable only if it fits your view.
If we take this literally, then the disciples should have been literally eating Him right there on the spot. that they didn't is telling. They understood what He was saying.
What you say does not have to follow. That isn't an element of logic. The point is they didn't understand. That's why so many turned away. They understood His Words very clearly... they just didn't understand how it could be possible. The Apostles didn't understand it either, they just didn't leave. They trusted that what Jesus said would be and they stayed with Him because He spoke the truth... whether or not they understood it.
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:21:49 PM PST
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pgyanke
(Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
To: RFEngineer
For your trespasses. Even though youve presented it as exploration this article and the posited excuse for the embrace of it is a trespass in the most Biblical sense. I forgive you.
1) This isn't my thread.
2) If I have sinned against the Word of God... you have some mighty hubris.
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:24:44 PM PST
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pgyanke
(Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
To: .45 Long Colt
"I was speaking of your bondage to works of the law, "
The answer's still the same! It's a joy not a burden, even in the midst of all the fodder the haters of Catholicism bring in with them.
Forgiveness is our friend!
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:26:33 PM PST
by
Grateful2God
(Oh dear Jesus, Oh merciful Jesus, Oh Jesus, son of Mary, have mercy on me. Amen.)
To: redleghunter
You are correct sir. Good picture. I call you sir, because you were a military commissioned officer, and I was just a useless, good for nothing, puke faced, lazy, piece of garbage enlisted guy. I couldn't possibly have any idea what I am talking about. NOT. Keep up the good work bro. 😄😃😀😊
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:27:05 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Calvary's love has never faltered, all it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage)
To: Mark17
Bro no more rank. We are both veterans now:)
No pecking order waiting in VA long lines.
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:29:06 PM PST
by
redleghunter
(He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
To: ealgeone
So does this: 1 Col 24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christs afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:31:15 PM PST
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pgyanke
(Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
To: NYer
As a lifelong Evangelical Protestant with a terminal degree in theology, this is the first time I have seen these two passages connected (the Lord's prayer and Jesus' parable about the unforgiving debtor).
It seems to me that the argument presented by the author deserves consideration. IMHO many Eternal Security Protestants do not adequately take into consideration passages encouraging believers to "remain in the faith."
One detects a subtle arrogance not only of "possessing the correct theology" (unlike those Papists) but of a mistaken assurance that one is "eternally secure" and thus can commit any sin with impunity. This is a misguided and frankly dangerous attitude to take.
This from one who believes entirely in salvation by faith in Christ, "not of ourselves lest any man should boast."
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:43:40 PM PST
by
tjd1454
To: Mark17
I do what Rush does, I demonstrate absurdity, by being absurd.That explains a great deal. This is a worthwhile approach for politics. In discussions of Our Lord... not so much.
Telling me that Jesus Christ meant to physically eat his body and drink his physical blood is absurd.
And yet He did just that. Do a search on Biblegateway online. Search the whole Bible for "this is my body." What you will get is the synaptic Gospel accounts of the Last Supper with Jesus holding the host telling us that the Host He is holding is His Own Flesh and St Paul's remembrance of the same. Do the same search for "this is my blood" and you get the same result. In all of the Bible, the only time Our Lord says "this is my body" and "this is my blood" is at the Last Supper when the Apostles are then admonished to take it and eat and drink--and DO this in His memory. St Paul notes that failing to receive them rightly is sinning against the Body and Blood of the Lord. It's all spelled out clearly for those with the eyes of faith.
As to the admonishment to not eat the blood... read WHY in Genesis and Deuteronomy. In both places, God tells us we are not to eat the blood of animals because the life is in the blood. All other admonitions in the Old and New Testament are based on this understanding. Then Jesus comes and tells us that if we don't eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood we have no life within us. The life He came to give is His own Flesh and Blood for the life of the world.
Think about John 6. Clearly the Jews knew what they were hearing and they reacted just as you have. Only the Apostles stayed after this discourse. Why? Simple trust. Jesus had the Words of everlasting life. They didn't understand what they had been told but they knew it was true--so true that many walked away from Jesus because they didn't trust that He had the authority to say what He was saying.
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posted on
02/25/2015 7:43:46 PM PST
by
pgyanke
(Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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