Posted on 02/23/2015 9:53:14 AM PST by Gamecock
My daughter is fascinated with Old English. I’ve seen several texts and listened to youtube readings of the Lord’s Prayer.
Thank you. Google wasn’t my FRiend.
Why did the Religious leaders want Him put to death? They believed He was a sinner, the ultimate sin being when He said He was God. We know that is true, but to those who held to OT law, it was a sin worthy of death.
Love,
O2
And I’ll TTTTTAAAAAAGGGGGLLLLLLIIIIIINNNNNEEEEEE all I want, thank you very much.
Here is what you said first and which I questioned:
O2 : “So by OT law, Jesus WAS a sinner.”
Here is how you changed the subject and evaded a direct answer:
O2 : “Why did the Religious leaders want Him put to death?”
I don’t believe you are totally off base at all.
One of the first times my ministry partner and I talked doctrinal differences was on one of those points you mentioned. Her response? “It’s not in the Bible.”
I know several within our circle who have followed the path you chose and left the RCC. My ministry partner has not as yet chosen to do so, but she’s still young..
But then, so are you. ;-)
(I’m the oldguy..;-)
They wanted Him dead because he exposed them for what they were, elitists. They made rules and added laws that discouraged people. Jesus exposed them by eating with sinners and showing them the way to God. The Pharisees disdained Jesus for hanging around with sinners. It's all through the NT. He was ruining the Pharisees gig and publicly insulted them. They wanted Him gone. They baited Jesus looking for a way to be rid of him and they found it.
Thank you.
OMEGATOO!
You have stated on this thread...
“So by OT law, Jesus WAS a sinner.”
Do you intend to evade trying to justify such a blatantly erroneous (and blasphemous to Christians) statement? How can you expect to defend it with just your tagline promos?
Sincerely,
R2z
Those are the laws Jesus was born under and required to follow as a Jew. That was a law set down by God Himself and not part of the "add ons" by the Pharisees which are what they claimed Christ violated.
>>Jesus contradicted Old Testament laws on several occasions,<<
Not even one that was set down by God.
>>by not requiring the apostles to follow strict handwashing laws<<
Those which had been added by the Pharisees.
>>So by OT law, Jesus WAS a sinner.<<
No, He was not. The Pharisees had corrupted God's laws and it was those corruptions He was accused of breaking.
>>Because He really did say what he said and contradicted the OT.<<
But not what you think He said.
>>Why would He only want those to stay with Him who knew immediately that He was being figurative and not correct those who were upset because they mistakenly took Him literally?<<
He told us why in that same Chapter. Only those who the Father had given Him. "All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away." He also said "“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them,". Those who didn't stay had not been called by the Father.
>>Did He drive them away on purpose?<<
He surely knew they were not going to stay. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
>>Surely He knew that the concept of eating flesh and drinking blood was controversial.<<
He also knew that they knew the scriptures and that when Ezekiel and Jeremiah were told to "eat the scroll" it meant to internalize the word of God not eat the literal physical scroll.
>> and there is again no clear explanation in scripture to tell us which one is the absolute truth<<
There most certainly is. He said His words were "spirit" not literal. He also said the "flesh profits nothing". Twice He said His words were "spirit" rather than literal.
>>Not ‘a lamb’ but ‘The Lamb’ of God, the perfect sacrifice.<<
Surely you don't believe He was a literal physical sheep. Surely you don't expect a literal physical river of water to flow from you belly. Do you ever get hungry or thirsty? He also said those who "eat his flesh" will never get hungryu or thirsty and even said they would never die. Catholics still die every day.
Already done.
Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
: Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Oh yuck!! I’m so thankful to have been able to retire and not worry about those any more. Mine now are very, very simple. I remember those days. I owned my own businesses all my life and have the deepest sympathies for those going through that these days.
“’As the Father has sent Me, so I also send you’. When he had said this, he breathed upon them and said to them, ‘Recieve the Holy Spirit; whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.’” (John 20:21-22)
I have to call it a night. Have a good one.
Me too. Gone.
Probably the same ones who had to leave suddenly because their camel was double-parked.
Right after Jesus wrote the names of their mistresses in the dirt.
(My version of the story in John 8... ;-)
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