Posted on 02/19/2015 8:12:16 AM PST by Salvation
Yes. But we have Christ’s promise that the Church will always teach the truth.
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:12-13
“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15
Where did Christ tell His Apostles to write a Bible? Or write anything?
Where did Christ tell His followers that His Church would be based on a Book?
What does Scripture say is 'The pillar and Foundation of Truth??'
The Church is a human institution. It is run by humans who make mistakes, who commit sins, and who are imperfect. Look no further than the recent homosexual-pedophile priest scandal and how the Church handled it as proof that human beings within the Church are capable of great error and horrendous mistakes and sins. The Church isn’t perfect. And its rules, rituals, and procedures are constantly subject to change. With respects to compulsory clerical celibacy, the current Pope has recently stated:
1) The policy is a discipline, not a dogma or a doctrine.
2) The policy was instituted many centuries after the founding of the Church.
3) The policy is always subject to change.
While I am not a fan of the current Pope, he is absolutely correct on all of those points.
No. Christ established His Church. It is a divine institution. All the protestant churches are human institutions.
“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mat 6:18
It is run by humans who make mistakes, who commit sins, and who are imperfect.
True. But we have Christ’s promise that His Church will always teach the Truth.
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:12-13
The Church isn’t perfect. And its rules, rituals, and procedures are constantly subject to change.
Christ then tells us that His Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth:
“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15
Why are you a Catholic? You don’t seem to believe in the Catholic Church.
The Sacrament of Confession is amazing. I made an A.C.T.S. retreat a few weeks ago. I made Cursillo as well. The night of reconciliation was a life changing event for a lot of guys. One hadn't been to confession for 20 years
I love it! Some want me to leave my church because I don’t march in lock step with the leadership on every single issue. Nope. Can’t have your own opinion or do your own research.
While I agree with about 90-95% of the Church’s teachings, I don’t think I should be excommunicated because I don’t agree with 100% of it. I happen to agree, btw, with what the current Pope has said about compulsory clerical celibacy. I guess it’s OK for Pope Francis to hold those views. But when I express them, I’m not sufficiently Catholic for some people.
I get really annoyed with some Catholics who claim to be holier than Thou. Some claim they are more Catholic than you because they only attend Mass in Latin. Or they only receive Holy Communion on the tongue, not in the hand as I do and other such nonsense. I’m really sick of it. I attend Mass every week. I serve as a volunteer at my church. I pray the rosary every day and watch Mass every day on EWTN. I’m tired of being told I’m not sufficiently Catholic and that I should leave the church. I’m not going anywhere and I will continue to think for myself. Sorry if that offends you.
Do you believe in the Magisterium? Do you know what it is?
Nope. Can’t have your own opinion or do your own research.
Yes. Do your own research. Study. But you cannot have your own opinion on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. To be a Catholic, you must accept the teachings of the Church. "I'm a catholic, and I accept 99% of all the Church teachings, but I believe in abortion, adultery, and that piece of bread is a cookie."
I'm sure you can find one of the many made up churches that match your beliefs.
Yes, magisterium is when the Church sets down a particular teaching. In some cases putting forth ideas and theories not found anywhere in the Bible. For example, the idea that Mary was always a virgin and never consummated her marriage with Joseph. In the 19th century, Pope Pius IX, put forward the dogma that Mary herself was born of an Immaculate Conception, even though no mention of the circumstances surrounding her birth in the Bible or anywhere else for that matter. Interesting to note that this is the very same pope who developed the concept of “papal infallibility”. I guess he didn’t want anyone questioning his ideas or theories.
If it’s OK with you, I prefer to stick as closely to scripture as possible and I don’t like making things up or making assumptions like that.
And no.......I’m not leaving. Try to have me excommunicated if you like. But I’m not leaving. I belong to many organizations (including the GOP) and I find it next to impossible to always agree 100% all of the time with every position put out by those organizations and their leadership. I stay within in the GOP because I agree with most of it. I stay in my church because I agree with most of it. I stick closely with what is written in the Bible. And yes the Bible is very specific on adultery and other such matters.
You really do not know the Church or the Magisterium. Christ established a Church. The Church is the 'pillar and foundation of Truth' You've seen the quotes from Scripture.
Christ did not establish a Bible. The Church Christ established created the Bible.
If it’s OK with you, I prefer to stick as closely to scripture as possible and I don’t like making things up or making assumptions like that.
We would not have Scripture without the Catholic Church. But seriously, answer these two questions -
1. Where did Christ tell any of his Apostles to write a Bible?
2. Why do you believe Scripture if Christ never asked anyone to write it?
No. It is you who is misguided. You believe in ANYTHING put forward by the Vatican without question. That is your right of course and I will not challenge it. The New Testament was written primarily by the four Gospel writers and St. Paul.
It might interest you know that I first learned that Jesus had brothers and sisters in a Bible study class taught by a Catholic priest in a Catholic church. When we were going over the passages mentioning Jesus’s brothers and sisters, the priest did not put any spin on it, like oh they meant to really say cousins-—or here’s another whopper-—they were Joseph’s children from a prior marriage. No. The priest did none of that. He presented the Bible as it is written without any spin or embellishments. So I am grateful to him for presenting the Bible as it is written without making things up. If you plan on having me excommunicated you might want to have the priest who taught our Bible study class excommunicated as well.
Our faith is based upon the New Testament and the teachings in the four accepted gospels. These were written before the Church was an established institution.
The New Testament was written primarily by the four Gospel writers and St. Paul.
Yes. And the book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith and the Koran written by Mohammed. Three books. Written by men. Why do you believe only one?
Where did Christ say that?
Seriously? The Bible was established by the Church. What Church was thriving in Acts, before any of the New Testament was written?
This probably happens to you a lot because you do not sound like a Catholic. You don't seem to accept the teachings of the Church, and make up your own beliefs.
Christ established a Church. Christ did not establish a Bible.
No. Only by a few fanatics on this website. I get along very well with my brother Knights, fellow volunteers at church as well as with all the clergy members. And I’m tired of being told that I don’t sound like Catholic.
I know SOME Catholics who think that they’re more Catholic than others because they attend Mass only in Latin. Or others who receive Holy Communion on the tongue instead of the hand. And on down the list. That is what I find REALLY annoying. Those who claim to be superior to others.
What we know about Jesus’s teachings come from the New Testament. That’s why we have Bible readings at every Mass.
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