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Obama: "No god condones terror."
2/10/2015 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 02/10/2015 3:46:50 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

President Obama, during his National Prayer Breakfast speech, Thursday:

"No god condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives or the oppression of those who are weaker of fewer in number."

All people at all times and locations have the right to defend themselves from terror.

Despite Obama's words that have clearly angered people, we can see the following as an example: Christians within the confines of the Byzantine Empire had a right to defend themselves from Muslims who terrorized them, but we all know that Pope Urban II could in no way possible know that anyone who went and fought against Muslim invaders would go to heaven for doing so.

Secondly, some Muslims today who terrorize others think they will go straight to heaven for being martyrs, but just as with Pope Urban II's promises, this is but the fantasies of men.

Third, we know that God was not behind the wiping out of men, women and children who occupied the Promised Land as the Jewish people came into to settle it, nor did He tell them to do this, despite the things these occupants were doing. As well, God did not tell them to kill the older and younger men and keep the young girls for themselves despite the order to do both of the aforementioned being within down within the Pentateuch. These may have been written down by Moses or they were more likely written down later by scribes (JDEP).

And God is not behind nor supports radical Jihadists today who say that their god allows them to do the things they do.

God, OTOH, is love. And Jesus exemplified that.


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To: Secret Agent Man

One of Allah’s “99 names” is “Ad-Darr”, “The Creator of The Harmful”, or “The Afflicter”. Right there is the proof their god is responsible for bad things, like terrorism. If not allah’s will is being allowed to do this, then whose?

The one name they don’t include in this list, coincidentally, is “The Deceiver” or “Al Makireena “ which is attributed to allah in Sura 3:54, for example:

3:54
Transliteration: Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.[2]


21 posted on 02/10/2015 4:09:28 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I read this as Obama admitting that allah is not G-d.


22 posted on 02/10/2015 4:11:33 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

He’s such a putz.


23 posted on 02/10/2015 4:11:49 PM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Well, one does.

WHY MUSLIMS ARE VIOLENT

This is pretty straight forward folks. There are peaceful Muslims, but there is no such thing as peaceful Islam. Violence is not an aberration in Islam—it is DOCTRINE. Dozens of passages in the Quran exhort Muslims to hate or kill or terrorize infidels (non-Muslims) wherever they find them. For examples, see Suras 2:190-193, 2:216, 2:244, 3:56, 3:142, 3:151, 4:56, 4:74 (beheading), 4:76, 4:84, 4:89, 4:91, 4:95, 4:104, 5:51, 5:32-38, 7:96-99, 8:12-15 (beheading), 8:39, 8:57-60, 8:65-67, 9:5, 9:14, 9:20-30, 9:38-41, 9:73, 9:88, 9:111, 9:123, 17:16, 18:65-81, 21:44, 22:18-22, 25:52, 33:60-62, 47:3-4 (beheading), 47:35, 48:16-17, 48:29, 61:4, and 66:8-12. These are the passages that jihadists quote in defense of their horrible atrocities. Unlike the Old Testament, violence in the Quran is mostly open-ended, that is, not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding events.

While there are passages that Muslims point to that might suggest peaceful solutions (Suras 2:190, 2:256, 5:8, 5:28, 5:32, 8:61, 29:46, 41:34, 109:6), these are overwhelmed by the violent ones. Indeed, the peaceful passages were abrogated, i.e. superseded, by the violent ones—because the violent ones were written later, after Muhammad’s move to Medina (from Mecca). Anyone who wants to commit acts of violence has perfect justification for doing so from the Quran. There is nothing in the Quran comparable to Jesus’ teachings to “turn the other cheek” and to “love your neighbor.”

You can look these passages up for yourself. Below is a site that has three translations of the Quran side-by-side. (Note: English translators of the Quran sometimes try to soften the true Arabic meaning of some of these passages. For example, to “fight” really means to kill in Arabic.)

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran

In addition to the Quran are the hadiths. These are collections of sayings and actions of Muhammad. Indeed, Muhammad was one of the most violent men in history, setting the example for all Muslims to follow. See this link:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

For more information, see our Faith Facts article:

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/christianity-vs.-islam

(If you like our site, tell your friends about us.)


24 posted on 02/10/2015 4:12:06 PM PST by grumpa
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To: exnavy

“And now Obozo speaks for G-d!?”

He defined “sin” as “an act or omission against my personal beliefs,” so he certainly appears to think he is.


25 posted on 02/10/2015 4:12:38 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

A Christian would not say “no god” A christian would say, “God”.
But we all know where Bammy stands on that issue anyway.


26 posted on 02/10/2015 4:16:03 PM PST by vpintheak (Call them what they are - regressive control-freaks)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Actually he’s right. No God does condone terror. Alah is Satan and there are no other God’s but YHWH of scripture.


27 posted on 02/10/2015 4:16:59 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: shalom aleichem

“How many “Gods” does this POS believe in?”

Howm any Gods does this POS not believe in?


28 posted on 02/10/2015 4:18:12 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Islam’s God RECOMMENDS it! Can’t believe Obama hasn’t read the KORAN ... it’s right there in black and white!


29 posted on 02/10/2015 4:19:38 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ($$$$$ Don't Defund the Government...Defund Obama and his illegal policies $$$$$)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Oh, then aren’t we lucky to have only random street and workplace violence in this country instead of terror.

obola has repeatedly assured us of that.


30 posted on 02/10/2015 4:23:15 PM PST by Let's Roll (Before it can get any better it has to stop getting worse - vote 4 most conservative available)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

no god condones terror...

but Allah commands it!

(Allah = Satan, not a god)


31 posted on 02/10/2015 4:30:55 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..).)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Obama knows that al-Lah is not God. What he does not want people to know is that al-Lah is Satan. Satan condones terror, murder, bigamy, polygamy, and all the other sins condoned my Mohammed and practices by followers of Mohammed.


32 posted on 02/10/2015 4:33:27 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Paladin2

Allah is Satan...not God.


33 posted on 02/10/2015 4:56:32 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

There is only one God, and He is not Allah. There is only one mediator between man and God, and He is not Mohammed. But I doubt Obama knows this. He thinks his Muslim god is a real god.


34 posted on 02/10/2015 5:03:55 PM PST by pallis (I like white people)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

But droning the chit out of people is A OK. :-)


35 posted on 02/10/2015 5:05:49 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Sigh. He’s finally correct on something, but not in the way he thinks. Allah is no god, but he does condone it.


36 posted on 02/10/2015 5:19:39 PM PST by Ingtar (Is this the Ebola and rumors of Ebola mentioned in the Bible?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Noah disagrees.


37 posted on 02/10/2015 6:14:43 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
"No god condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives or the oppression of those who are weaker of fewer in number."

Rather, the author of life has the just prerogative to take life, which would be immoral if that was not a just thing to do, which an almighty omniscient God can know and do, regardless of the railings of self-righteous atheists who must presume they are omniscient, and that the objectively baseless moral reasoning of atheism precludes moral wickedness, or can even define it.

In killing the terminally degenerate Canaanites wholesale for instance, rather than taxing Israel with being a giant adoption agency, or leaving the innocent homeless and parent-less, God mercifully saved the innocent from becoming like their fathers, and took them to be with Himself.

In a different scenario, He saved women from being without husband and home, and provided both for them and their children, after a proper time of mourning. And culture could be rough in the ANE.

The critical difference btwn the Bible and Islam etc., is that the people did not enter into a covenant of obedience with God, and receive the directive of Joshua's conquests, until after God made it abundantly unmistakably supernaturally manifest that God was speaking to and leading them. This was not just some dream in the night.

In addition, also unlike the Qur'an, these were limited in scope, and in specific situations, with a historical narrative which provides the context necessary for interpretation.

And finally, these commands for warfare were superseded by the New Covenant in which the kingdom is spiritual, and thus its means of warfare, (Jn. 18:36; Eph. 6:12; 2Cor. 10:3,4) and the church is not constituted to use the sword of men to deal with theological dissent, or to be a physical theocracy and raise armies.

The fight against Islam which Crusades engaged in which had necessity were not to be done by the church raising up armies to fight a holy war, while the torturous bloody means of the Inquisitions were unScriptural out of hand.

38 posted on 02/10/2015 8:01:12 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Third, we know that God was not behind the wiping out of men, women and children who occupied the Promised Land as the Jewish people came into to settle it, nor did He tell them to do this,

According the the Bible God told them to kill every man, woman and child in Jericho.

39 posted on 02/10/2015 8:04:24 PM PST by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

What’s the source for this piece? There’s no link.

Usually you have a link or label it “vanity.”


40 posted on 02/10/2015 10:05:34 PM PST by redleghunter (Your faith has saved you. Go in peace. (Luke 7:50))
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