Posted on 02/08/2015 5:22:25 AM PST by fwdude
With the appalling apostasy, both overt and subtle, engulfing many evangelical churches in these last days, I have found myself in search of a truly Bible-believing church body that is serious about the Truth taught by God through Jesus Christ.
To be specific, these are the things I am trying to avoid:
- The cultish "mega-church" mentality (though size doesn't not necessarily disqualify an otherwise orthodox church culture)
- Any sympathy, working agreement, or tacit acknowledgement of any Christian legitimacy with Rome.
- The hyper "grace only" heresy of the need just to "believe on Jesus Christ," nothing else matters (i.e. repentance, therefore renouncing sin, optional.)
- An above-all social component to church life, using Christ as the pretext to party and have a good time.
- The "contemporary worship" scene, where the great traditional hymns of devout saints are jettisoned in favor of the shallow, repetitive pap of me-centered guitar and percussion powered emotionalism.
- Teaching that completely avoids, or gives apologetic ground to, the deadly evil in today's society, especially the stridently militant homosexuality that is engulfing even many churches behind the scenes (even the SBC).
- The unlimited "welcoming" banner that is put out by many heretical bodies, i.e., no questions asked and no requirements for participate in the life of the church.
With these in mind, here is what I am seeking:
- A praying church where prayer is not just and afterthought or a mandatory formality.
- A church that holds its fellowshipping members accountable and expects real spiritual growth in them.
- A church that believes in the spiritual gifts as the Scriptures lay them out, without the emotionally caricatured ones. (I wouldn't even object to the gift of tongues if it were genuine and conducted biblically (a real existing language not learned by the practicer), and not like most maniacally charismatic church's wantonly display in disarray.)
- A church that meets regularly, and doesn't dismiss services for Superbowl Sunday.
These are obviously not exhaustive lists, but my point is that I am through wasting time in congregations that ignore the spiritual reality of the world, and focus on the empty wood, hay and stubble of the world, neglecting the members of the Body, and subjecting them to eternal danger.
At the risk of attracting caustic criticism, I'll also throw in that I've valued the teachings of Gordon C. Olson as biblically sound, so any recommendations for church bodies that adhere closely to the theology that he taught would be much appreciated.
Down size as much as possible.
Don't look back!
Who needs a storefront?
Isaiah was enough for the Ethiopian Eunuch!
“Down size as much as possible.
Don’t look back!”
in process now :)
Even if the COWBOYS are in it???
I believe you have come up with a pretty good handle on just what eternity might mean. :)
Yep! If I belonged to a church that didn’t have the sense to know the difference between the Muslim god and the God of scripture I’d leave that church the moment I found out.
Now, with less “Baptist.” LOL!
Sorry, I read the jumbled web address as Smarty the Virgin. LOL!
Be strong in the Lord and in His mighty power!
Anyway, spending most of my adult life moving every two years or so, allow me to share my method of finding a new church:
a. It is critical, IMHO, to know the confession/statement of faith/whatever you want to call it. I am a bit cautious of nondenominational churches because they are often brief statements of faith and can change on the whim of the pastor. Not saying that disqualifies a church, just something to ask about.
b. I start with truly Reformed churches. PCA, OPC, URCNA, ARP. From there I have moved outward towards other confessional churches, if there are no other options.
c. I prefer hymns, and have found there are churches that do hymns with more of a modern instrumentation. I find that acceptable because, let's face it, there were no organs during biblical times. Psalm 150 shows instruments that would blow a lot of peoples gaskets today!
Praise the Lord! Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens! Praise him for his mighty deeds; praise him according to his excellent greatness! Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals!
d. An church that has grown inwards so much that it doesn't care about you will not feed you or look outwards to others. Two examples:
1. We visited what seemed like a solid church for about 6 weeks. On day one we were talking to the "hospitality lady" whose job was to greet newcomers. As we were chatting she saw someone walk by, excused herself quickly and promptly started a conversation with another lady about a sale going on at a local store. OK, that is awkward, but we though that maybe she should not have volunteered to greet people. Five weeks later we were seriously thinking about joining when after church I dawned on me that Pastor didn't know our name. It was a smallish church and not once did he call us by name, or even seem to make an effort, such as "hey, I have a terrible memory, tell me your name again. Then my wife realized that not once did anyone in the church call us by name. Not a soul. We never went back.Anyway, I know the Reformed corner of Christianity isn't for everyone, but I do know there are solid churches of all types out there. I hope you find one that will feed your soul, and where you can help to feed others.2. A couple weeks later we visited a little country church. They were a newer congregation that had just finished building a new church. As we were chatting about how beautiful it was an elder looked me right in the eye and said "we built it just for you." We were warmly welcomed and rapidly assimilated into the daily life of the church.
Amen! Thank you Elsie.
For himself, by all means.
Lots of Hardshell Baptists in Texas, I hear.
We dropped the Hulen Street “Baptist” Church from the name since there will be a certain percentage who will never walk through the doors with that name.
From I-20, north on Campus drive, near South campus TCC.
You may hate drums, but Jesus hates hypocrites more.
Daniel, there is obviously way too much to get into the weeds on all 13,000 points which appear to be cut and pasted from many different documents and many in which the logic is hard to follow, and some with statements which may or may not be supported by the sources cited.
But just a couple of points on the RCC approach to the Bible which differs from most main stream Protestant doctrines. Your post attacks what you refer to as “RC literalism” in reference to Jesus appointing Peter as the head of the Church which he brought to Rome. This is also the same argument made by many against the Transfiguration of the Eucharist. Which is really interesting in that many of the people who accuse Catholics of being too “literal” in interpreting the direct and repeated teachings of Jesus throughout the Gospels, will insist that we must take the conflicting stories of creation in Genesis as literally.
The Catholic approach differs from this in that we approach the Bible as God’s slow revelation of himself to man. We accept the stories of creation as metaphor which make the point that God created the heavens and the earth and man. We accept that it is not a scientific explanation and have no conflict in reconciling the fact that God created the world, although the literal stories of creation as stated in Genesis may conflict with the scientific evidence of the actual physical history of the earth. But as the history presented in the Bible advances and culminates with the life and times of Jesus and the Apostles, we start taking a more literal approach — especially when Jesus repeats very specific instructions in the Gospels (as opposed to his teaching parables). This applies to the importance of the Eucharist where he states the importance of “eating of my flesh and drinking of my blood” culminating in his instructions to the Apostles to “do this in memory of Me” at the Last Supper.(The KJV is just as clear on this point as the RCC version.) This approach also applies to the other sacraments (Baptism & Confirmation,Reconciliation, Marriage, Holy Orders, and Anointing of the Sick), created by Jesus in the Gospels.
Take Care & God Bless.
Amen Elsie!!!
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