The Immaculate Conception in Scripture

catholic.com ^ | December 6, 2014 | Tim Staples

[Elsie]

Those who don't choose to believe will politely state their case, like mature Christians who are open to discussion; from these, both sides can at least

While many others; who don't know WHAT to believe will quietly bow to AUTHORITY, like sheep-like Christians who are open to control.

[tbpiper]

Mary is not omniscient.

Then that means she can't hear everybody's prayer.

[Elsie]

Those who don't choose to believe will politely state their case, like mature Christians who are open to discussion; from these, both sides can at least

It was NEVER about the titanium bolts; was it!?

[Elsie]

That is between Mary, Joseph and God. No one else.P>Then WHY has your CHOSEN religion made SUCH a big deal about it?

Flying in the face of COMMON SENSE (I just heard that somewhere) and Scripture; too?

[Elsie]

Mary is not omniscient. Neither does the Church teach that she is so.

Your 'church' allows it's members to ACT as though she is!

And PUBLISH thousands of words of text that GIVES her GOD-like power!

 

 

Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.

Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.

Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.

Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.

Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.

Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.

Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.

Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.

Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.

[Elsie]

What happened to keeping one's married lives to themselves?

Genesis 1:28
Then God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth and govern it.

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And you guys STILL want 'mary' to be another EVE???

[Elsie]

Some will rudely try to state their case while deriding Mary (perhaps forgetting she is still the Mother of Jesus according to Scripture) and Catholicism.

Yeah; I, too, hate it when things like this are exposed on the pages of FR...

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Matthew 23

 

  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

 

Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

 

[Elsie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

[Elsie]

I can kinda understand Rome's insistence that Mary only had ONE child.

The sibling rivalry would have been INTENSE!!!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/rYLPUgNKKc?rel=0&start=66&end=71

 

[Elsie]

 

[Mark17]

It's ALIENS; all the way down.

I like to watch that program, but I cringe every time I see that nerd. It looks like he stuck his finger in a light socket.

[defconw]

You really must see the Lion King! Watch the scene with the hyenas and Scar. Then you will understand .. grasshopper! ;)

[RnMomof7]

Just WOW

[RnMomof7]

It's no use, although I give you credit for trying. I can't help but wonder what those who believe nothing but the Bible alone think the Holy Family did during the years between the Finding in the Temple and Jesus'public ministry. He returned with them (Mary and Joseph) and was obedient unto them. He waxed strong and grew in favor with God and men.

The Holy Spirit told us everything we needed to know ... There is no need to tell us about Mary cooking oatmeal for breakfast or doing the laundry..The scriptures are NOT ABOUT HER they are only about Jesus

[RnMomof7]

God apparently thought so. She is Jesus' mother by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit. What happened to keeping one's married lives to themselves? That is between Mary, Joseph and God. No one else.

What is interesting is she did not have the INDWELLING Holy Spirit until Pentecost when she and the disciples were given Him

[Grateful2God]

No, it simply means that only God Himself has infinite knowledge of all things.

[Grateful2God]

And the Spirit simply departed from her while she raised the Son of God? No. Perhaps she did not receive Him in the same way as at Pentecost, but had the Spirit not been in her, she who was full of God's Grace, would she have been given the choice, then the entrustment, to bear and raise the Son of God? No.

God bless you!

[MamaB]

Thank you. I learn so much from you.

[tbpiper]

So what’s the point of praying to Mary if there’s no guaranteeing she’ll even hear you?

[Elsie]

I learn so much from you.

Oh no!

You learn from the FACTS that I post!

I'm just a humble delivery boy.