Posted on 02/03/2015 9:37:18 PM PST by Morgana
I have no hostility at all toward Mary, she just is not a very big part of my Christian religion.
I do not know of any serious Christian who would allow the worshiping of idols, the bowing of the knee to the “queen of heaven” , who acknowledges more than “one mediator between God and men”,
who places tradition above scripture, who still has to pay for our sins in “pergatory”, as Jesus once and for all sacrifice on the cross” is still not sufficient to pay for all our sins, who must do good works to get into heaven as our salvation by faith through grace is not nearly enough, who can only be saved when they are baptised, because a confession of faith is not enough to save us,
who believes that Jesus is forever on the cross perpetualy sacrificing himself for the sins of the world, who places his hope in the church and not the “Son of Man”, who believes that all roads lead to God and that Jesus is one of the ways to get to heaven.....
That is just a few of the the things I can think of quickly, off the top of my head that the Catholic doctrines teach, based on the traditions of men, and the bible is only used to prop up their declarations from the “seat of peter” of which the declaration that Peter was the first pope is used to justify their continual abuse of the word and work of Jesus to lead men away from trusting on Jesus as the only way of salvation and that what He has done is a complete and total work for the saving of our souls.
Please do not assume that those who do not follow the papal doctrines as being ignorant of the doctrines of the bible, the only thing that is happening is the dividing of the church and loss of those who would be saved after seeing the way we treat eachother from the petty bickering over things that are used to divide us. Salvation only comes through placing our hope and trust on the finished work of Jesus death and ressurection. Anything that is added to that takes away from what He accomplished for us.
The church is built on the prophets and apostles, with Jesus as the chief cornerstone. If Mary is neither prophet nor apostle, she is not part of the foundation and has no part in salvation other than being the God-bearer, the mother of Jesus. She is most definitely part of the Christian creed, but only as a fulfillment of prophesy - "born of the virgin Mary".
But we do not pray to or hold up as any kind of deity, any of the other prophets or apostles. They fulfilled their purposes, of course. They are all “back story”. Only through Jesus Christ can we be saved.
I noticed the author used scripture up until Mary being “an ark”. Then it’s, “see Luke 1”.
Of course the author failed to reference Romans 3:23, “For ALL have sinned...”.
LOL...reaching huh?
Arthur it is clear on this forum that Catholics..even Catholic "priests" can not understand the scriptures
Could you please provide the magistriums infallible teaching on the scriptures quoted above..please cite the year of the infallible reading
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.(1 Corinthians 1:18)
Amen
They missed the scripture that says ALL the old Testament is about Christ..not his momma
Christ is the new Ark of the Covenant. That’s just one more thing Catholics take from Christ and give to Mary.
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Tim Staples is a perfect example of Hebrews 6:4-6, and 2Peter 2:20-22.
He once knew the truth, but has turned away like “The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”
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Sure are. When will they see the light? It’s a shame.
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He can’t BE the Ark, his blood was poured ON the Ark.
Only the Ark can be the Ark.
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You are so right.
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Drowning in paganism is what they are.
Proving Alexander Hislop to be perfectly correct.
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They sure are. Amazing, isn’t it?
They do not think “all have sinned” applies to Mary. Even she admitted she needed a Savior, though.
This especially breaks me up... lets just look at the scriptures quoted in context
Luke 1:37-38 36"And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month. 37"For nothing will be impossible with God." 38And Mary said, "Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
Verse 37 is about Elizabeth.. long barren being pregnant.. ..NO WHERE does this scripture say Mary is "the new Eve
John2 …3When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, "They have no wine." 4And Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come." 5His mother said to the servants, "Whatever He says to you, do it."…..Not a word about Mary being "the new Eve"
"the second part of the sentence declares beyond all doubt that the two regarded His life-work from stand-points so different that there is nothing common between them. It is literally, What is that to me and to thee? The parallels for the form of the question are Joshua 22:24; Judges 11:12; 2Samuel 16:10; 1Kings 17:18; 2Kings 3:13; and the thrice-recorded question of the demoniac (Matthew 8:29; Mark 1:24; Luke 8:28). The real parallel is in this Gospel in John 7:6. Mother and brethren alike regarded life in its events; for Him it is an unchanging principle. For them, action is determined by the outer stimulus; for Him, by the eternal will of the Father."(Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers)..and not one mention of a new eve.. Did Eve have Cain turn water into wine ??
John 19:26When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"
Again Jesus did not call his mother "eve"...not one reference to eve
Scripture indicates that Jesus had brothers that could have taken care of His mother..BUT they were not at the cross, most likely they did not even "believe" in Jesus ... But remember that Jesus said but He regards whosoever doeth the will of His Father which is in heaven, as “brother and sister and mother.” ...and so John was his brother and a son to His mother ... this has nothing to do with her being "eve"
And finally the last twisted scripture
Rev 12.. the old standby "Queen of heaven " card... Eve was not the Queen of ANYTHING ... the mother of the King is never the "Queen " ...But Rome likes to use this to justify making Mary an Idol ... this is an allegory that ends with the "Queen" (mary) growing wings and flying to the wilderness ...
No where is Mary presented as "the new Eve". Eve was not the "mother" of Adam so the analogy is foolish ..
At no time did Jesus , the apostles or disciples make that comparison.. It is just a lie made up out of whole cloth
Notice the scripture says she was (blessed by God) not BLESS ED .. indeed she was blessed to be chosen to be the mother of the Savior.. because she, like all women was a sinner .. She also know that all Jewish women would welcome that honor... and so they too would say she was BLESSED.. NOT BLESS ED
Funny.... I can find NOTHING that says Mary was born without sin. But I sure CAN find the following:
Romans 3:23-26 (ESV):
“23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”
All. Hmmm. Not, “...all except Mary...”
And, interestingly, it’s Christ that God put forward as a propitiation... not Mary. It’s Christ that redeems... not Mary.
That’s not “man-made Protestant doctrine[s]”... that’s God-breathed scripture which the Roman Catholic Cult supposedly wrote.
Mary was saved by her faith in Christ, just like us. And she was born in sin just like us.
Hoss
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