Posted on 01/24/2015 8:33:46 AM PST by RnMomof7
After the apostles died, was the gospel hopelessly lost until the Reformation?
That certainly seems to be a common assumption in some Protestant circles today. Thankfully, it is a false assumption.
Im not entirely sure where that misconception started. But one thing I do know: it did not come from the Protestant Reformers.
The Reformers themselves (including Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and others) were convinced that their position was not only biblical, but also historical. In other words, they contended that both the apostles and the church fathers would have agreed with them on the heart of the gospel.
For example, the second-generation Lutheran reformer, Martin Chemnitz (1522-1586), wrote a treatise on justification in which he defended the Protestant position by extensively using the church fathers. And John Calvin (1509-1564), in his Institutes, similarly claimed that he could easily debunk his Roman Catholic opponents using nothing but patristic sources. Heres what he wrote:
If the contest were to be determined by patristic authority, the tide of victory to put it very modestly would turn to our side. Now, these fathers have written many wise and excellent things. . . . [Yet] the good things that these fathers have written they [the Roman Catholics] either do not notice, or misrepresent or pervert. . . . But we do not despise them [the church fathers]; in fact, if it were to our present purpose, I could with no trouble at all prove that the greater part of what we are saying today meets their approval.
Source: John Calvin, Prefatory Address to King Francis I of France, The Institutes of the Christian Religion, Section 4.
How could the Reformers be so confident that their understanding of the gospel was consistent with the teachings of the ancient church? Or perhaps more to the point: What did the early church fathers have to say about the gospel of grace?
Here is an admittedly brief collection of 30 patristic quotes, centering on the reality that justification is by grace alone through faith alone. Many more could be provided. But I think youll be encouraged by this survey look at the gospel according to the church fathers.
(Even if you dont read every quote, just take a moment to consider the fact that, long before Luther, the leaders of the ancient church were clearly proclaiming the gospel of grace through faith in Christ.)
1. Clement of Rome (30-100): And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
Source: Clement, First Epistle to the Corinthians, 32.4.
2. Epistle to Diognetus (second century): He gave His own Son as a ransom for us, the holy One for transgressors, the blameless One for the wicked, the righteous One for the unrighteous, the incorruptible One for the corruptible, the immortal One for them that are mortal. For what other thing was capable of covering our sins than His righteousness? By what other one was it possible that we, the wicked and ungodly, could be justified, than by the only Son of God? O sweet exchange! O unsearchable operation! O benefits surpassing all expectation! That the wickedness of many should be hid in a single righteous One, and that the righteousness of One should justify many transgressors!
Source: The Epistle to Diognetus, 9.2-5.
3. Justin Martyr (100-165) speaks of those who repented, and who no longer were purified by the blood of goats and of sheep, or by the ashes of an heifer, or by the offerings of fine flour, but by faith through the blood of Christ, and through His death.
Source: Justin, Dialogue with Trypho, 13.
4. Origen (185-254): For God is just, and therefore he could not justify the unjust. Therefore he required the intervention of a propitiator, so that by having faith in Him those who could not be justified by their own works might be justified.
Source: Origen, Commentary on Romans, 2.112.
5. Origen (again): A man is justified by faith. The works of the law can make no contribution to this. Where there is no faith which might justify the believer, even if there are works of the law these are not based on the foundation of faith. Even if they are good in themselves they cannot justify the one who does them, because faith is lacking, and faith is the mark of those who are justified by God.
Source: Origen, Commentary on Romans, 2.136.
6. Hilary of Poitiers (300-368): Wages cannot be considered as a gift, because they are due to work, but God has given free grace to all men by the justification of faith.
Source: Hilary, Commentary on Matthew (on Matt. 20:7)
7. Hilary of Poitiers (again): It disturbed the scribes that sin was forgiven by a man (for they considered that Jesus Christ was only a man) and that sin was forgiven by Him whereas the Law was not able to absolve it, since faith alone justifies.
Source: Hilary, Commentary on Matthew (on Matt. 9:3)
8. Didymus the Blind (c. 313-398) A person is saved by grace, not by works but by faith. There should be no doubt but that faith saves and then lives by doing its own works, so that the works which are added to salvation by faith are not those of the law but a different kind of thing altogether.[31]
Source: Didymus the Blind. Commentary on James, 2:26b.
9. Basil of Caesarea (329-379): Let him who boasts boast in the Lord, that Christ has been made by God for us righteousness, wisdom, justification, redemption. This is perfect and pure boasting in God, when one is not proud on account of his own righteousness but knows that he is indeed unworthy of the true righteousness and is justified solely by faith in Christ.
Source: Basil, Homily on Humility, 20.3.
10. Jerome (347420): We are saved by grace rather than works, for we can give God nothing in return for what he has bestowed on us.
Source: Jerome, Epistle to the Ephesians, 1.2.1.
11. John Chrysostom (349-407): For Scripture says that faith has saved us. Put better: Since God willed it, faith has saved us. Now in what case, tell me, does faith save without itself doing anything at all? Faiths workings themselves are a gift of God, lest anyone should boast. What then is Paul saying? Not that God has forbidden works but that he has forbidden us to be justified by works. No one, Paul says, is justified by works, precisely in order that the grace and benevolence of God may become apparent.
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Ephesians, 4.2.9.
12. John Chrysostom (again): But what is the law of faith? It is, being saved by grace. Here he shows Gods power, in that He has not only saved, but has even justified, and led them to boasting, and this too without needing works, but looking for faith only.
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, 7.27.
13. John Chrysostom (again): God allowed his Son to suffer as if a condemned sinner, so that we might be delivered from the penalty of our sins. This is Gods righteousness, that we are not justified by works (for then they would have to be perfect, which is impossible), but by grace, in which case all our sin is removed.
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on the Epistles of Paul to the Corinthians, 11.5.
14. John Chrysostom (again): Everywhere he puts the Gentiles upon a thorough equality. And put no difference between us and them, having purified their hearts by faith. (v. 9.) From faith alone, he says, they obtained the same gifts. This is also meant as a lesson to those (objectors); this is able to teach even them that faith only is needed, not works nor circumcision.
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Acts, 32 (regarding Acts 15:1)
15. John Chrysostom (again): What then was it that was thought incredible? That those who were enemies, and sinners, neither justified by the law, nor by works, should immediately through faith alone be advanced to the highest favor. Upon this head accordingly Paul has discoursed at length in his Epistle to the Romans, and here again at length. This is a faithful saying, he says, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on 1 Timothy, 4.1.
16. John Chrysostom (again): For it is most of all apparent among the Gentiles, as he also says elsewhere, And that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy. (Romans 15:9.) For the great glory of this mystery is apparent among others also, but much more among these. For, on a sudden, to have brought men more senseless than stones to the dignity of Angels, simply through bare words, and faith alone, without any laboriousness, is indeed glory and riches of mystery: just as if one were to take a dog, quite consumed with hunger and the mange, foul, and loathsome to see, and not so much as able to move, but lying cast out, and make him all at once into a man, and to display him upon the royal throne.
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Colossians, 5.2.
17. John Chrysostom (again): Now since the Jews kept turning over and over the fact, that the Patriarch, and friend of God, was the first to receive circumcision, he wishes to show, that it was by faith that he too was justified. And this was quite a vantage ground to insist upon. For a person who had no works, to be justified by faith, was nothing unlikely. But for a person richly adorned with good deeds, not to be made just from hence, but from faith, this is the thing to cause wonder, and to set the power of faith in a strong light.
Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, 8.1.
18. Augustine (354-430): If Abraham was not justified by works, how was he justified? The apostle goes on to tell us how: What does scripture say? (that is, about how Abraham was justified). Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness (Rom. 4:3; Gen. 15:6). Abraham, then, was justified by faith. Paul and James do not contradict each other: good works follow justification.
Source: Augustine, Exposition 2 of Psalm 31, 2-4.
19. Augustine (again): When someone believes in him who justifies the impious, that faith is reckoned as justice to the believer, as David too declares that person blessed whom God has accepted and endowed with righteousness, independently of any righteous actions (Rom 4:5-6). What righteousness is this? The righteousness of faith, preceded by no good works, but with good works as its consequence.
Source: Augustine, Exposition 2 of Psalm 31, 6-7.
20. Ambrosiaster (fourth century): God has decreed that a person who believes in Christ can be saved without works. By faith alone he receives the forgiveness of sins.
Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 1:4.
21. Ambrosiaster (again): They are justified freely because they have not done anything nor given anything in return, but by faith alone they have been made holy by the gift of God.
Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Romans 3:24.
22. Ambrosiaster (again): Paul tells those who live under the law that they have no reason to boast basing themselves on the law and claiming to be of the race of Abraham, seeing that no one is justified before God except by faith.
Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Romans 3:27.
23. Ambrosiaster (again): God gave what he promised in order to be revealed as righteous. For he had promised that he would justify those who believe in Christ, as he says in Habakkuk: The righteous will live by faith in me (Hab. 2:4). Whoever has faith in God and Christ is righteous.
Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Pauls Epistles; CSEL 81 ad loc.
24. Marius Victorinus (fourth century): The fact that you Ephesians are saved is not something that comes from yourselves. It is the gift of God. It is not from your works, but it is Gods grace and Gods gift, not from anything you have deserved. We did not receive things by our own merit but by the grace and goodness of God.
Source: Marius Victorinus, Epistle to the Ephesians, 1.2.9.
25. Prosper of Aquitaine (390455): And just as there are no crimes so detestable that they can prevent the gift of grace, so too there can be no works so eminent that they are owed in condign [deserved] judgment that which is given freely. Would it not be a debasement of redemption in Christs blood, and would not Gods mercy be made secondary to human works, if justification, which is through grace, were owed in view of preceding merits, so that it were not the gift of a Donor, but the wages of a laborer?
Source: Prosper of Acquitaine, Call of All Nations, 1.17
26. Theodoret of Cyrus (393457): The Lord Christ is both God and the mercy seat, both the priest and the lamb, and he performed the work of our salvation by his blood, demanding only faith from us.
Source: Theodoret of Cyrus, Interpretation of the Letter to the Romans; PG 82 ad loc.
27. Theodoret of Cyrus (again): All we bring to grace is our faith. But even in this faith, divine grace itself has become our enabler. For [Paul] adds, And this is not of yourselves but it is a gift of God; not of works, lest anyone should boast (Eph. 2:89). It is not of our own accord that we have believed, but we have come to belief after having been called; and even when we had come to believe, He did not require of us purity of life, but approving mere faith, God bestowed on us forgiveness of sins
Source: Theodoret of Cyrus, Interpretation of the Fourteen Epistles of Paul; FEF 3:24849, sec. 2163.
28. Cyril of Alexandria (412-444): For we are justified by faith, not by works of the law, as Scripture says. By faith in whom, then, are we justified? Is it not in Him who suffered death according to the flesh for our sake? Is it not in one Lord Jesus Christ?
Source: Cyril of Alexandria, Against Nestorius, 3.62
29. Fulgentius (462533): The blessed Paul argues that we are saved by faith, which he declares to be not from us but a gift from God. Thus there cannot possibly be true salvation where there is no true faith, and, since this faith is divinely enabled, it is without doubt bestowed by his free generosity. Where there is true belief through true faith, true salvation certainly accompanies it. Anyone who departs from true faith will not possess the grace of true salvation.
Source: Fulgentius, On the Incarnation, 1; CCL 91:313.
30. Bede (673-735): Although the apostle Paul preached that we are justified by faith without works, those who understand by this that it does not matter whether they live evil lives or do wicked and terrible things, as long as they believe in Christ, because salvation is through faith, have made a great mistake. James here expounds how Pauls words ought to be understood. This is why he uses the example of Abraham, whom Paul also used as an example of faith, to show that the patriarch also performed good works in the light of his faith. It is therefore wrong to interpret Paul in such a way as to suggest that it did not matter whether Abraham put his faith into practice or not. What Paul meant was that no one obtains the gift of justification on the basis of merits derived from works performed beforehand, because the gift of justification comes only from faith.
Source: Cited from the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture (ed. Gerald Bray), NT, vol. 11, p. 31.
Of course they can’t back up what they say with documentation.
It doesn’t exist.
Which is why they tell us to go look it up for ourselves or to disprove it.
If they can’t be bothered to provide the evidence to support it, it clearly isn’t important enough to them that anyone else should be bothered wasting their time refuting a negative, which can’t be done anyway.
“I don’t have to prove anything.”
Actually it would be you.
“It’s Catholics who have to prove that they did teach the assumption.”
Actually, no they don’t.
“I have to simply go by what I know they did teach and consider anyone who teaches something they didn’t to be accursed.”
Okay, let’s test that. Do you believe Matthew’s Gospel is inspired? What Apostle taught that Matthew’s Gospel was an inspired book? Please list the exact verse which answers that question. If you fail to do so we will then know that you hold to something that the Apostles didn’t teach and so - according to your own words - you must believe something accursed.
“The only sure reference we have to what the apostles taught is what was written by them.”
Let’s test that: Show me the inspired table of contents?
“The assumption of Mary wasn’t even spoken of until at least the fourth century by the Catholic Church’s own admission.”
Show me where the Catholic Church “admits” that? Thus, it must be an official Vatican statement of such or a council decree of such. Got one? If you fail to do so, then the falsity of your own statement is obvious.
“See here..”
Please show me the Vatican statement or council decree whereby the Catholic Church says that the 1909 American made Catholic Encyclopedia is in fact “the Catholic Church” and therefore anything in it would constitute “the Catholic Church’s own admission” about anything. If you fail to do so, then the falsity of your own statement is obvious.
“The teaching is part of another gospel and as such is considered accursed by God.”
You have not even proved anyone is claiming it is in itself believed by anyone to be part of a gospel teaching to begin with.
“Are Catholics saying they can’t back up what they say with documentation?”
Are you claiming you don’t know the gospel of Jesus?
According to you. According to you.
I find all of them in Scripture. By what authority do you tell me that I can't do that? Your own theology denies that authority to the Pope, so it can't very well give it to you.
It doesn't matter what Augustine says. If it's not in Scripture as a sin, then he had no business making something sin that isn't.
That's legalism in all its glory.
Exactly. It amazes me that Catholics don't understand that they are no different from Mormons or any other religion the relies on writings other then scripture.
Where? You say they're there but show no proof of it.
By what authority do you tell me that I can't do that?
Without strawmen, y'all would have nothing to knock down.
Where ever did I tell you you can't (aren't allowed to) do that? Show me the post numbers.
And you can't (as in not possible to) do it because it isn't in there.
Your own theology denies that authority to the Pope, so it can't very well give it to you.
Why'd you veer the conversation off into authority?
I never claimed I had authority over you or anyone else. Why are you implying that I did?
I have been a Protestant since 1970, and this is the first time I have EVER heard this, so I doubt it is widespread among Protestants. I doubt it will cause many to swim the Tiber.
I view them as the Catholic Church "church fathers". As such I use them to show that what those "church fathers" believed often contradicts what the Catholic Church teaches today. We are shown in scripture that "churches" had strayed and taken in pagan beliefs already in Revelation. There is no way that just because they were writing in the second century that they can be considered correct in all they believed.
It’s never been taught in any Protestant church I’ve ever attended.
On the contrary, Protestants know about the Cathars and Wadensians and others who the RCC tortured and murdered for exposing it for the false gospel it teaches.
That's just desperation.
They're grasping at straws of any kind somehow give their teachings some credibility.
Have you figured out how to use google yet?
“If it’s not in Scripture as a sin, then he had no business making something sin that isn’t.”
Show me the verse that condemns abortion by name.
It was said the entire bible was the gospel..
That made me wonder if Jesus reached the entire OT ..I wanted to know if you knew what the gospel Jesus preached was ?
OriginI also find the inclusion of the final quote from Bede most interesting since it is a good summation of the Catholic position:Whoever dies in his sins, even if he profess to believe in Christ, does not truly believe in Him; and even if that which exists without works be called faith, such faith is dead in itself, as we read in the Epistle bearing the name of James. (Commentaries on John, 19, 6)
St. John Chrysostom
He that believes in the Son has everlasting life. Is it enough, then to believe in the Son, some will say, in order to have everlasting life? By no means! Listen to Christ declare this Himself when He says, Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of heaven; and the blasphemy against the Spirit alone is sufficient to cast him into hell. But why should I speak of a part of our teaching? For if a man believe rightly in the Father and in the Son and in the Holy Spirit, but does not live rightly, his faith will avail him nothing toward salvation. (On John, 31, 1)
Although the apostle Paul preached that we are justified by faith without works, those who understand by this that it does not matter whether they live evil lives or do wicked and terrible things, as long as they believe in Christ, because salvation is through faith, have made a great mistake. James here expounds how Pauls words ought to be understood. This is why he uses the example of Abraham, whom Paul also used as an example of faith, to show that the patriarch also performed good works in the light of his faith. It is therefore wrong to interpret Paul in such a way as to suggest that it did not matter whether Abraham put his faith into practice or not. What Paul meant was that no one obtains the gift of justification on the basis of merits derived from works performed beforehand, because the gift of justification comes only from faith.Needless to say, all those quoted also believed in a visible hierarchical church possessing the authority of the Apostle, the Catholic Mass which they celebrated, the sacraments, etc. These men were clearly Catholic and would not have recognized the Protestant faith.
Of course they do. Paul said if they didn't teach it that it was to be considered accursed. If Catholics teach it they must show that the apostles taught it.
>>Show me where the Catholic Church admits that?<<
I just did.
>>Please show me the Vatican statement or council decree whereby the Catholic Church says that the 1909 American made Catholic Encyclopedia is in fact the Catholic Church and therefore anything in it would constitute the Catholic Churchs own admission about anything.<<
Prove that what is in that Encyclopedia is refuted by the Catholic Church. Show where they renounce statements or beliefs claimed there in.
>>You have not even proved anyone is claiming it is in itself believed by anyone to be part of a gospel teaching to begin with.<<
Then Catholics are no different then Muslims or Mormons in that they go by writing other than scripture. We can simply put them all in the same class.
“I have been a Protestant since 1970, and this is the first time I have EVER heard this”
Really?
I used google for about 20 seconds and found these:
The Reformation was, at its heart, a recovery of the true gospel of Jesus Christ, and this restoration had an unparalleled influence on churches, nations, and the flow of Western civilization. http://www.ligonier.org/blog/reformation-and-men-behind-it/
One person has defined Church History as the story of the loss and recovery of the Gospel. It was apparent that the Gospel was nearly lost during the times of the Middle Ages. http://www.solagroup.org/articles/faqs/faq_0034.html
Tragically, this Patristic understanding was lost during the Medieval times and only recovered by Martin Luther and others at the time of the Reformation As the study of Church History is the study of the loss and recovery of the Gospel http://www.solagroup.org/articles/understandingthebible/utb_0007.html
Tracing the Loss and Recovery of Pauline Truth. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RrZpbemGzGAJ:www.gracelifebiblechurch.com/SundaySchool/ChurchHistory/Course%2520Outline.pdf+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
The Reformations Recovery of the Gospel http://www.credomag.com/2011/11/04/the-reformations-recovery-of-the-gospel/
Mormons:
http://www.mormon.org/beliefs/restoration
The myth of a Protestant recovery of the Gospel was strong in our church. http://chnetwork.org/2012/02/a-protestant-historian-discovers-the-catholic-church-conversion-story-of-a-david-anders-ph-d/
These took no time to find. Certainly less than 45 years.
Then show where the assumption of Mary is found in scripture. And don't try to use Revelation 12. That is a "sign" not a person.
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