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1 posted on 12/22/2014 2:09:07 PM PST by NYer
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Heads up, ping! The mainstream media are all over this story. Rather than post a secular report, I went with Fr. Z's commentary.

Ping!

2 posted on 12/22/2014 2:10:38 PM PST by NYer (Merry Christmas and best wishes for a blessed New Year!)
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“I understand that the pope wants us to live up to our ideals, but you wonder sometimes if he has anything positive to say about us at all,” the official said, who’s been in Vatican service for more than two decades.

I hear the Pope said they served up a sweet margarita. That seems positive to me.

3 posted on 12/22/2014 2:13:00 PM PST by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
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a mixture of pastoral and business management concerns, probably pretty appropriate for his audience of Church management personnel

and he won’t have to worry much about his item 10 (suckup staffers) if he keeps talking to them this way

:)


4 posted on 12/22/2014 2:15:52 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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This is Christmas. Where’s his Christmas spirit? It all seems to be about him.


5 posted on 12/22/2014 2:21:01 PM PST by FR_addict ( Boehner needs to go!)
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Why doesn’t he speak like this all the time?


6 posted on 12/22/2014 2:22:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Obola and Frances are peas in the same Marxist pod.
8 posted on 12/22/2014 2:24:33 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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I remember at the time he became pope that some said his mandate from the cardinals was to clean up the Curia.


9 posted on 12/22/2014 2:32:34 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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Sounds very Holy Father-ish, with the emphasis on Father. Nobody likes to be on the receiving end of a father’s lecture, but many people need one.


12 posted on 12/22/2014 2:53:03 PM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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This Pope needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. Without a doubt he is the most egotistical, hypocritical individuals to hold the papal office in well over 100 years.

Pope Francis, please do us Catholics a favor for 2015 and just shut your mouth for a change.


13 posted on 12/22/2014 2:56:41 PM PST by CdMGuy
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Not bad until the last three.


22 posted on 12/22/2014 3:23:47 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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Another article on the same subject with my nomination for "Headline of the week"

Pope Francis to Curia: Merry Christmas, you power-hungry hypocrites

24 posted on 12/22/2014 3:40:54 PM PST by marshmallow
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I have to say, I didn’t feel great walking out of that room today,” one senior Vatican official said, who had been in the Vatican’s Sala Clementina for the speech and who spoke on the condition he not be identified. “I understand that the pope wants us to live up to our ideals, but you wonder sometimes if he has anything positive to say about us at all,” the official said, who’s been in Vatican service for more than two decades.

Floggings will continue until morale improves.

25 posted on 12/22/2014 3:42:36 PM PST by marshmallow
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He hasn't responded, yet, to the charges that the Curia is riddled with a homosexual cabal.

4/08/2012 - Father Dariusz Oko completed a report he was commissioned to do by Polish bishops of the Roman Catholic Church. It was entitled, “With the Pope Against the Homoheresy.” F. Oko was, born in 1960 in Oswiecim, Poland, ordained into the Roman Catholic Church in 1985, and is currently a priest in the Archdiocese of Krakow where he is an Assistant Professor at Pontifical University John Paul II in Krakow. The report was 1st published in the German journal “Theologisches” on 9/10/2012. It was later translated into English and spread through the English speaking nations in FEB 2013. Excerpts are presented below …

“For several weeks now Poland has witnessed a heated discussion on the “huge homosexual underground in the Church”, provoked by the most recent book by Fr. Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski entitled “Chodzi mi tylko o prawdę” (Truth Is All That Matters). Some deny any such underground exists, and put forward theses profoundly inconsistent with the teaching of the Church, both being at odds with truth. The problem is serious to the extent I feel I must join in the discussion as well, because I also care about truth, and first of all about good, the fundamental well- being of man and of the Church – the basic community in which he lives. …

Not everyone wants to accept the above rules [of Benedict XVI]. There is resistance to what is taught by the Pope. The homosexual community in the Church defends itself and is on the attack. It also needs an intellectual tool, a justification, and that is why homoideology takes in their minds, words and writings the form of homoheresy.

The most open revolt against the Pope and the Church is headed by some Jesuits in the United States, who openly oppose them and announce that despite the above decisions, they will keep admitting homosexually-oriented seminarians, who are, indeed, especially welcome. They have a long tradition in that vein, for years being the mainstay of homoideology and homoheresy.

They take many views of the heretical moral theologian, ex-priest Charles Curran, for their own. They are also under the overwhelming influence of their former fellow friar, F. John McNeill SJ, who founded the pro-homosexual movement called Dignity, and published a book entitled The Church and the Homosexual, where he explicitly rejects the teaching of the Church and adopts homoideology.

The book was given an imprimatur by his provincial from New York, and has been republished several times despite being banned by the Vatican. This way, it has become a homosexual bible for many American Jesuits. McNeill seems to mean more for them than Jesus or Saint Paul, much less the Pope. The Theological Studies and America papers they publish still uphold and promote pro-homosexual ideas. Consequently, it is estimated they have achieved the highest saturation with homosexuals, way above 30 %. Gays feel more comfortable with them than ever, while other priests find the specific atmosphere less and less bearable.

It appears as though the Jesuits have replaced their traditional, fourth vow of obedience to the Pope with a fourth vow of arch-disobedience. We should not be particularly surprised or shocked, though, knowing that the clergy is submitted to all influences of their times, including the worst ones. If they are intellectually or morally weak, they are not only subject, but succumb to them.

That is one of the basic sources of heresy in the Church, which has already seen so many of them that needed to be exposed and overcome so many times. In the age of fascist ideologies and Marxism, we also had fascist priests and Marxist priests in the Church. Now that the extreme leftists promote homoideology in turn, we naturally have homoideologist, and sometimes even homoheretic priests in the Church. …

We must clearly, explicitly and reservedly say: yes there is a strong homosexual underground in the Church … such Circles in the Church strongly oppose the truth, morality and Revelation, cooperate with enemies of the Church, [and] incite revolt against Peter our our times. …

It is for [his] (the Pope) accuracy of opinion that he is so vehemently opposed, or even hated by some in the Church, especially by members of the homolobby which represents the very center of internal opposition against the Pope. …

If homolobbyists are allowed to act freely, (in Poland) in a dozen or so years they may destroy entire congregations and dioceses – like in the USA, where priestly vocation is more and more now called a gay profession. …

The global network of the homolobbies and homomafias must be counterbalanced by a network of honest people. An excellent tool that can be used here is the Internet, which makes it possible to create a global community of people concerned about the fate of the Church, who have resolved to oppose homoideology and homoheresy. The more we know, the more we can do.”

YouTube - The New Pope & Homoheresy
video run time = 00:10:12 minutes

28 posted on 12/22/2014 4:50:59 PM PST by MacNaughton (" ...it is better to die on the losing side than to live under Communism." Whitaker Chambers)
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I think this guy is a good candidate for the False Prophet of Revelation.

Actually, he is poised right now, through his position, rhetoric, and actions, to be the world's best candidate.

33 posted on 12/22/2014 7:00:11 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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“I have to say, I didn’t feel great walking out of that room today,” one senior Vatican official"

And that is a good thing. For me, the best sermons are the one's I walk out of feeling convicted. As if the Pastor was speaking directly to me. It always stimulates me to working on the issues raised and to start living a more Christian life. The flesh has a way of blinding us to serious sin in our lives.

39 posted on 12/23/2014 6:39:54 AM PST by circlecity
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