Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Says who?
Oooops!
Oh?
I'm unaware of ANY.
Did time stand still for her at these events?
There are NO tanks in Baghdad!
Your chosen religion's leaders have made statements that your chosen religion recorded.
WHY do you CONTINUE to avoid them?
See where that assummin’ stuff gets ya?!
...but why hasn’t the Typo Police made a judgment call on my comment yet??
Ya mean “fowl”?
Fowl is alright by me in these parts.
A moment of humor:
Beni: [after a shipwreck] Hey, O'Connell! It looks to me like I've got all the horses!
Rick: Hey, Beni! Looks to me like you're on the wrong side of the river!
Seriously, if Person1 writes that Person2 is acting like a {Insert derogatory term here} Person3 brings that to the attention of Person1, who then tries to declaim that he only asked why Person2 was acting like a {Insert derogatory term here}, which clearly was not a question to Person2 but rather an assertion about Person2. Afterward Person1 seems to claim he is walking in the Spirit in the LORD Jesus Christ and I am reminded of the cognitive dissonance associated with various Pentecostal, Evangelical, and Fundamentalists, not that the same cannot apply to others, who say one thing and before my very eyes do another. It seems to me there is a culture in those faith groups, especially in leadership which then cascades to the flocks, that being saved means never having to admit the truth except to advance the mission. The prosecution calls Bill Gothard. It seems to me someone truly walking in the Spirit would have a tender conscience connected to truth, remorse, and confession. But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
-- James, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses eight through fourteen, as authorized by King James
Just won’t let it go, will ya?
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.
-- 1Thessalonians, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses twenty one through twenty two, as authorized by King James
So, what are you trying to communicate to me? Any chance you will tell me why you continue to harangue me with these posts or do I have to just surmise the reasons?
The scriptures, but only if you have ears to hear. Of course, you can stop communication at any point you actually want. A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight. When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom. The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them. Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death. The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness. The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them: but transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness. When a wicked man dieth, his expectation shall perish: and the hope of unjust men perisheth. The righteous is delivered out of trouble, and the wicked cometh in his stead. An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered. When it goeth well with the righteous, the city rejoiceth: and when the wicked perish, there is shouting. By the blessing of the upright the city is exalted: but it is overthrown by the mouth of the wicked. He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace. A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter. Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. He that is surety for a stranger shall smart for it: and he that hateth suretiship is sure. A gracious woman retaineth honour: and strong men retain riches. The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh. The wicked worketh a deceitful work: but to him that soweth righteousness shall be a sure reward. As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death. They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the Lord: but such as are upright in their way are his delight. Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered. As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion. The desire of the righteous is only good: but the expectation of the wicked is wrath. There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty. The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself. He that withholdeth corn, the people shall curse him: but blessing shall be upon the head of him that selleth it. He that diligently seeketh good procureth favour: but he that seeketh mischief, it shall come unto him. He that trusteth in his riches shall fall; but the righteous shall flourish as a branch. He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart. The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.
---- Proverbs, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verses one through thirt one, as authorized by King James
Please stop these continual harangues to me today.
You are just posting things in response to nothing at all that I’m currently posting and yes, it is irritating now.
Our conversation has devolved into “Please leave me alone.”
Are you sure you’re okay today?
Yes, I'm sure I'm okay today.
Mary Worship Still Unbiblical after 6700 posts Placemarker
"and He took upon Himself the sins of us all". That's why He had to die. Who's sins did Mary take on? Or did she die because of her own sin?
Affirmative sir. Mary died because of her own sin. That was the whole point. If she were sinless, which I don't believe for a second, she would not have been subject to physical death. In order for Mary to be sinless, her parents, grand parents etc, would have all been sinless too. Not in this lifetime. She was blessed among women for sure, and deserves respect, but sinless? No. Tery, I know you probably don't like that, but it seems like I have said this a hundred times. We will just have to agree to disagree.
You are correct sir. I just did not realize till recently, just how wide that gulf is. It is WIDE. Keep preaching bro.
No, I'm looking at exactly the time when Messiah said those words. You could argue the adversary is influencing yourself at times, or anyone else. Messiah already testified about the Eleven Apostles sans Judas, to the Father, and they are all witnesses. We are witnesses when we read the scriptures. All that remains is to believe through their word. They were already saved at that time and, of course, had many trials to overcome and endure, as do we.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
-- 1 Peter, in the Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses three through nine, as authorized by King James
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
-- 1 Peter, in the Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses six through ten, as authorized by King James
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