Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

[ealgeone]

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.

[annalex]

I disagree with your fancy interpretation

it is not "interpretation" when I read what is written plainly. All I did was point it out to you.

Protestantism is a systematic lying about the Holy Scripture, so most adherents to that religion simply cannot imagine that the Holy Scripture can be simply read for what it says.

[annalex]

He demonstrated this faith/belief in God when he was willing to offer Isaac as a sacrifice.

Right, and also when he crossed the desert. All these were works of faith, and without them his faith would have been dead too. We are nto saved by faith alone, the Holy Scripture teaches us.

[annalex]

You asked and I answered.

If you don’t like what the Revelation of St. John says, write your own. Someone will read it. Maybe.

[annalex]

"not as a result of works, that no one should boast."

Grace is not a result of works, aha.

[CynicalBear]

>>Protestantism Catholicism is a systematic lying about the Holy Scripture, so most adherents to that religion simply cannot imagine that the Holy Scripture can be simply read for what it says.<<

There, fixed it for ya. "thou shalt not eat the blood".

[annalex]

we must agree to disagree

You got a religion that is killing souls. That is a very sad state of affairs. I cannot agree to that.

[CynicalBear]

>>If you don’t like what the Revelation of St. John says, write your own.<<

It was already prophesied in the Old Testament that the women is Israel. It's the Catholic corruption of Revelation 12 that we don't like.

[annalex]

many ancient fathers who rejected the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals as inspired/God-breathed Scripture.

That, even if true, does not change anything about the Canon. Those fathers were not Potestants; they did not go off to start their own pseudo-churches over this issue. The Church as a whole accepted the Deuterocanon as canon and rejected apocrypha. That is all there is to it.

[CynicalBear]

>>Those fathers were not Potestants<<

They must have been. They believed in Sola Scriptura. See here

[imardmd1]

No tossong of pearls to the prot swine, eh? /sarc

"But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions,
and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth,
being condemned of himself" (Tit. 3:9-11 AV)

Maybe we ought to take some advice from this ourselves, eh?
When an exchange has ceased to be profitable to anyone?

[imardmd1]

Grace is not a result of works, aha.

The issue is that salvation is not a result of works.

[daniel1212]

When an exchange has ceased to be profitable to anyone?

Well, a meaningful exchange with some is possible and which refutes others, while not rewarding the arrogant elitists.

Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase. (Daniel 4:37)

Been there somewhat, Ouch.

[imardmd1]

These admonitions were much more ominous in the days in which they were formulated, when the term “freedom of religion” was not a term known in Europe or England, for Catholics, Orthodoxen, or reformers. John Bunyan had light jail terms compared to the insults sustained by the objects of the attention of Torquemada.

[imardmd1]

>> meaningful exchange << Always hoped for, when it might result in serious consideration of the true effect of The Word of God . . .

Keep on!

[Elsie]

Pope Francis suggested there are limits to freedom of expression, saying in response to the Charlie Hebdo terror attack that "one cannot make fun of faith" and that anyone who throws insults can expect a "punch."

The pontiff said that both freedom of faith and freedom of speech were fundamental human rights and that "every religion has its dignity."

"One cannot provoke, one cannot insult other people's faith, one cannot make fun of faith," he said. "There is a limit. Every religion has its dignity ... in freedom of expression there are limits."

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I guess our wonderful FR Catholics are their OWN pope these days!!

Protestantism is a systematic lying about the Holy Scripture...

[Elsie]

...it is not "interpretation" when I read what is written plainly.

 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

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I guess MUST means something different to Catholics.

[Elsie]

If you don’t like what the Revelation of St. John says, write your own.

John said that seven of your churches in Asia were going to HELL if they did not change their ways.

I see that they no longer exist.

Golly; I wonder what happened to them?

[Elsie]

The Church as a whole accepted the Deuterocanon as canon and rejected apocrypha. That is all there is to it.

This is NOT true.

Your chosen religion only accepts 7 of the 15 books that were in the Septuigent.

[af_vet_1981]

What exactly are you trying to say ?

[daniel1212]

What exactly are you trying to say ?

Leave it to you to fail to search and understand what is being said. But you could probably find something antisemitic in it. You have already marginalized yourself as one not fit to exchange.