Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Near zero in CNY....
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Oh?
Data proves otherwise:
... why are there only seven of these extra books in the Catholic canon instead of the FIFTEEN that were with the Septuagint?
The quote you give me speaks of a different gospel. The doctrine of the Assumption is fully compatible with the existing gospel.
However, Luther, Calvin, and others did preach a different gospel. This is why Protestantsim as a whole, regardless of the nuances of their error that seems important to them are all under the curse. Which is obvious through history: the Holy Spirit was not with you to make a coherent community and lead it to salvation.
Mine is not "interpretation"; it is the Catholic definitive teaching. That faith without good works is "dead" does not require a fancy interpretation. Dead means dead.
Specific chapter and verse please. No it looks like, could be, maybe allowed.
I'll save you the time trying to find it. It's not in the Bible.
No, he is saved when he is dead and judged. Not when he has faith from grace. He also has water and air form grace. That does not make him saved.
it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27)
faith and a good conscience, which some rejecting have made shipwreck concerning the faith (1 Timothy 1:19)
faith without works is dead (James 2:26)
However, it is still faith. It's not any good to the Kingdom of God, but it is still faith. the individual is still saved.
“Through faith” does not mean “by faith alone”.
Eph 2:10 teaches that good works are necessary alongside faith; it is grace that cannot be earned. It is funny how the Prtestant quote-proofing always misses the important parts of the quote.
Septuagint contains the Deuterocanon. Since there was no single physical book of anything does not mean the complete Septuagint as a manuscript collection does not have them. Remember, St. Paul teaches about "all scripture known" to Timothy, not about some specific codices.
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Now that we don't know. And it is not important: the entire New Testament in written originally in Greek anyway.
There is NO evidence ANYONE considered them as Divinely-inspired
There is evidence that St. Paul did, for he said "all scripture" in 2 Tim. 3:15-16.
You are really wasting my time, and yours. You want responses, learn to use reason. It is not hard for me to ignore you entirely.
Ouch, with a capital O 😄 I was from North Dakota, so I know about weather. Here, I have not seen it below 73 in 15 months. It is hard to take 😊 but I can still get on a Cebu Pacific flight for an hour, and get on ice skates again. Ice skating is still my passion, as you can see on my profile page 😁
Keep up the good work. Keep telling the RCs the truth. There is so much false doctrine on these threads, one hardly knows where to begin, to refute it all, but we keep at it. (Eph 6:12)
Aha. Se we are not saved by faith alone.
Rev 12 speaks of Mary in Heaven wearing a crown, fighting Satan, etc.
Well, it is faith, but it is not sufficient for salvation, as James 2:24 teaches.
Likewise, in Matthew 8:29 we see the Gerasene demoniac had faith in Jesus calling Him “Son of God”. It does not look like he was saved, surely not the demon speaking through him the main postulate of our faith.
Your catholic definitive teaching IS a fancy interpretation, and I disagree with your fancy interpretation. You mouth the words correctly, that faith without works is dead. The problem is, your interpretation of faith, and my interpretation of faith are as different as night and day. I am familiar with "catholic speak," so I know where you are coming from. I am reminded of what Jesus said, these people draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, and in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrine, the commandments of men. As I said, we will have to agree to disagee on matters of faith. Oops, I forgot. Your definition of faith and mine differ enormously.
We had the NT canon complete, if memory serves, by 200 AD. Some books were in question due to authorship, but were not rejected. Most of it was considered canon prior to that time.
Paul's letters were completed between 49-66 AD. Peter cited Paul's letters as being Scripture 2 Peter 3:16. 2 Peter was written around 66 AD. So there's a big chunk of the NT written within 40 years of the crucifixion. And these letters were being read amongst the churches during this time. The Gospel was spreading rapidly.
We also have the OT identified in Matthew and Luke as being from Genesis to 2 Chronicles as reckoned by the Hebrew order of the OT. That's established by Christ and recorded no later than 70 AD and more likely 60 AD by Luke.
By 170 AD the Muratorian Canon had the 4 Gospels, Acts, Paul's letters, Jude, 2 Epistles of John, Jude and Revelation.
It was Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria in 367 AD to first list all the 27 books of the NT as we have it today.
In 400 AD Jerome completed the translation of the Vulgate which included the 27 books of the NT, plus the OT. The Apocrypha was included but was not accorded the status as the OT. If I recall there is a preface before each of the books of the Apocrypha as such. It was only at the Council of Trent after the rcc threw a hissy fit due to the Reformation was the Apocrypha elevated to the status of "scripture".
Faith, as noted in Eph 2 is what saves us.
If you keep James 2 in context and read exactly how Abraham was justified you will find it was because he believed God. He demonstrated this faith/belief in God when he was willing to offer Isaac as a sacrifice.
The demons had intellectual belief of Jesus. They didn't believe in Him. They knew who He was.
uhhhh.....no. But thanks for playing.
Eph 2:10 teaches that good works are necessary alongside faith; it is grace that cannot be earned. It is funny how the Prtestant quote-proofing always misses the important parts of the quote.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? "not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
Do we do good works? Yes we do. No one denies that. But those works, as Paul noted, are not what saves us. "For by grace you have been saved through faith...."
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