Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Oh yea of little faith does not understand what Jesus can do. He turned water into wine and wine into his blood.
And you do not accept what He has told us to do in his Memory.
The Truth and acceptance of it will help you understand.
Peace.
I do, and I call him Father.
This is the religion forum. If you don’t like it you should eliminate it from your search results or just ignore it.
No you are deliberate twisting what I said said in my previous posts.
And btw your brother protestant Elsie has a real problem with responding to folks who have asked him not too.
So bugger off mr cut and paste protestant - what kind of person continues to do that when admed not to?
Every time I read his posts I feel like I need a shower.
For the Greater Glory of God
Forgot to include Elsie in address
I hadnt seen that before....
Have you read the Council of Trent?? You can do your own homework. Just stay out of those bars!
I'm starting to think that is the case with a lot of what catholicism teaches....it's so much that catholics haven't had a chance, or maybe the inclination, to read it all.
And still here you are.
Your are wrong, The blessed Mother Mary is not dead, nor did she die. She was assumed into Heaven body and soul.
Yes I will continue to honor her as a most special person free from sin that obediently followed God's will.
It is amazing how God honors her, yet many do not honor the Mother of the son of God.
Why do you claim Jesus sinned against the command by God to not eat blood?
I agree, that's how it should be! I have to admit, for myself, it's taking me a lifetime, and I'm a bit over the proverbial "hill!" : )
As a Catholic, I'm taught to do things in my life for the greater honor and glory of God, and the good of souls, as opposed to doing so for my own temporal gain. Intention has a lot to do with things!
Personally, I love God; I also fear losing the prospect of going to Heaven, the idea of going to hell, and, I admit, His temporal punishments here on earth- not just for me, but for my brothers and sisters in humanity.
We try to get to the point where we avoid sin simply because it is offensive to God when we go against Him, by disobedience, or hurting another. Fasting, prayer, alms, chastity according to our state in life, are some of the ways to achieve this, as are many acts of self-denial, offered with love to God.
I can't stand in judgement of another's soul, although that is pretty tough to avoid sometimes. I believe that only God Himself can truly see that. I can judge an action as right or wrong, however; and few Catholics, I think would look to condone what was done in the sale of indulgences.
At the time of the Reformation, as today, what is known as the Apocrypha was still part of the Bible the Catholic Church uses. In it, the Second Book of Maccabees states: "It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from their sins." The story behind that statement explains that much more eloquently than I. The passage, and the events surrounding it, are part of the basis for the Catholic belief in Purgatory.
I believe the things we do in this life have a ripple effect, like stones thrown in a pond. While our sins are forgiven, the effects of our sins remain. Gossip, for instance, can be forgiven, but its effects can cause lasting pain and disgrace for its subject, even for their family. To a Catholic, facing the perfection of God, without these consequences being remitted, would be more than we could bear; thus the soul accepts the purgation of the consequences wrought by their sins, in Purgatory.
We pray for their souls to have the consequences of their forgiven sins mitigated by the Mercy of God. We offer prayers, sacrifices in our daily lives, Masses, all for the good of their souls: we also believe that this kind of charity is pleasing to God!
I also believe that this kind of charity, especially for those gone before, is not only good for the Suffering Souls, but for mine, too: selfish as it may sound, I pray for God's Mercy upon me, in life, and when my time comes to see Him face-to-face!
Thank you for your answer! If I could again impose on you, why did the Reformers choose to remove the Apocrypha from their Canon upon breaking with the Catholic Church? Again, not a rhetorical, but genuine question!
God bless you, and thanks again!
You presume she was assumed.
There is zero evidence either way. Absence of body does not presume assumption.
If that's the case every Christian that we cannot find a body for has to be presumed to be assumed.
Prove it. She was so inconsequential to the people of the time that no one even kept track of where she lived out here life after Jesus ascended into heaven.
Oh you reference was the Council of Trent somewhere in several thousand pages
Thats your reference??? Are you joking??
How about the specfic reference please.
Actually never mind if it wasnt in there it must have been an oversight...
If the are taking nominations for anathema could I put your name in for consideration??
If the shoe fits then wear it.
Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam
Again, I'm not gonna do your homework for you.
Because they contain blatant errors according to history and contradictions to the rest of scripture.
Im nominating you for sure.
Sorry...names already written in the Book of Life!
If you wish I could get you a formal looking Church document done on legal vellum, formally declaring you to be ANATHEMA to the Roman Catholic Church.
Done in both English and Latin and formally bound it is the perfect addition for this holiday season and would be the absolute envy of all our anti-Catholic friends here on the forum.
Well at least your anathema to me.
AMDG
While you searched, it appeared you came up with “damning evidence.” In reality, you missed the most important sentence: “In other words, we must become an instrument in Mary’s hands for her to act in us and do with us what she pleases, for the greater glory of her Son; and through Jesus for the greater glory of the Father.”
Any believer can go before Holy Trinity, no questions asked. However, St. Louis is demonstrating Mary is an excellent model, as she was the first to recognize Jesus as the Messiah (at the Annunciation), and the only believer to be with him until the end. That is a pretty darn good example.
Regarding “To Thee do We Cry,” the next sentence, which you chose not to quote is really important. So, here it is for you (page 112 in my version, freely available from Google):
Meaning, that we more easily find salvation by having recourse to the Mother than by going to the Son — not as if Mary was more powerful than her Son to save us, for we know that Jesus Christ is our only Saviour, and in that He alone by his merits has obtained and obtains salvation for us ; but it is for this reason : that when we have recourse to Jesus, we consider Him at the same time as our Judge, to whom it belongs also to chastise ungrateful souls, and therefore the confidence necessary to be heard may fail us ; but when we go to Mary, who has no other office than to compassionate as as Mother- of mercy, and to defend us as our advocate, our confidence is more easily established, and is often greater.”
What St. Alphonso is trying to teach, is how people perceive and relate to the Blessed Mother. He quotes several saints, and some people whom I don’t recognize. However, please read above: not as if Mary was more powerful than her Son to save us, for we know that Jesus Christ is our only Saviour, and in that He alone by his merits has obtained and obtains salvation for us;
I do care, and am thankful, that my name has been written in the Lamb's Book of Life. It cannot be erased.
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